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08-30-2012, 12:24 PM
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Nash is gonna be a RW this season...the lines are almost assuredly gonna look something like...

Kreider/Hagelin - Richards - Nash
Kreider/Hagelin - Stepan - Gaborik

Thats just frikkin filthy right there.

when you got Ryan Callahan on your 3rd line, youre doing something right.
Couldn't agree with you more Inferno. These are the line combos I've been hoping for after acquiring Nash. Tough to defend when a team can come at you with 3 lines who can score. Almost like a 1a, 1b, 2b-3a type scenario.

Also, hate to do this, but I remember reading an article (cannot remember the title of the article or wrote it...sorry) stating Richards likes having the left-handed shot on his right wing i.e. Nash. Very possible to see these combos at some point during the season.

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08-30-2012, 12:44 PM
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Nash is gonna be a RW this season...the lines are almost assuredly gonna look something like...

Kreider/Hagelin - Richards - Nash
Kreider/Hagelin - Stepan - Gaborik

Thats just frikkin filthy right there.

when you got Ryan Callahan on your 3rd line, youre doing something right.
I think Callahan stays perpetually planted in the top 6 and Kreider/Hagelin split time between the 3rd line and top 6.

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08-30-2012, 01:14 PM
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Nash is gonna be a RW this season...the lines are almost assuredly gonna look something like...

Kreider/Hagelin - Richards - Nash
Kreider/Hagelin - Stepan - Gaborik

Thats just frikkin filthy right there.

when you got Ryan Callahan on your 3rd line, youre doing something right.
Ryan Callahan won't be on the 3rd line. He's a far better player than Hagelin. The truth is, I like Hagelin. A lot. But I need to see something from him to start the season. He was a different player when he came back from his suspension in the playoffs.

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08-30-2012, 01:18 PM
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Ryan Callahan won't be on the 3rd line. He's a far better player than Hagelin. The truth is, I like Hagelin. A lot. But I need to see something from him to start the season. He was a different player when he came back from his suspension in the playoffs.
I agree. I like his speed, and think hes a well-schooled player. Im just extremely skeptical about his offensive upside going forward.

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08-30-2012, 02:29 PM
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any word of Kreider completing his degree this summer? I thought that was his plan. Summer classes should be over by now.

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08-30-2012, 08:10 PM
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How is he in the "top 5 overrated prospects" thread???
********** haters.

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08-30-2012, 09:21 PM
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How is he in the "top 5 overrated prospects" thread???
********** haters.
Because the Rangers are hated on HF.

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08-30-2012, 10:48 PM
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How is he in the "top 5 overrated prospects" thread???
********** haters.
because he's projected to be the #1 rookie in the league. no other reason needed. highest projected is easy to be assumed the most overrated.

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How is he in the "top 5 overrated prospects" thread???
********** haters.
We too sexy.
Nah, hf hates HFNYR. Whatever. Not worried about Kreider and his performance.

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08-31-2012, 08:33 AM
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Kreider is just going to be one of those guys that is continually hated on by other fan bases. We're the Rangers. We're not supposed to draft and develop potential impact players like him. For two years it was "Who cares if he rocked the WJC, won an NCAA title, and was invited to the WC's? He wasn't even a PPG player!" Now it's "Yeah, he did well in the playoffs, but let's see how he does in the regular season!"

Best bet is just to ignore the haters. Kid is going to be a stud.

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08-31-2012, 09:16 AM
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Kreider is just going to be one of those guys that is continually hated on by other fan bases. We're the Rangers. We're not supposed to draft and develop potential impact players like him. For two years it was "Who cares if he rocked the WJC, won an NCAA title, and was invited to the WC's? He wasn't even a PPG player!" Now it's "Yeah, he did well in the playoffs, but let's see how he does in the regular season!"

Best bet is just to ignore the haters. Kid is going to be a stud.
Lol...the crap people come up with. How many opposing fans told me "yea you killed it in the regular season, but let's see what happens if we see you in the playoffs." I guess as far as Kreider goes though, the regular season is "when it really counts."

I assume he's overrated because we love that he is extremely big and extremely fast (perfect for today's NHL), has good hands, a quick release, and is a heady player.

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Even if we win the Stanley Cup we'll here other fan bases say "oh we'll can they do it again next year."

The Rangers represent New York so we are instantly hated.

Who really gives a crap about what a bunch of people who just post on a message board say. We will continue to develop a great team and they can keep hating on us. It will taste that much sweeter in the end.

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08-31-2012, 11:32 AM
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its an 82 game schedule against men. hes going to have his ups and downs. he probably is overrated in that some ppl think e will be a 30 goal scorer right outta the gate...its unlikely.

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08-31-2012, 12:53 PM
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Weren't Kings fans saying that one kid on their roster was better than Kreider?

This is why I don't talk to fans of other teams on here.

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08-31-2012, 01:19 PM
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Weren't Kings fans saying that one kid on their roster was better than Kreider?

This is why I don't talk to fans of other teams on here.
if i recall, most people were saying dwight king was better right now(in the playoffs) but they would rather kreider in the long run (albeit this may have been before the devils series if i'm not mistaken--possibly after the questionable hit by king on Pietrangelo)

but, dwight king had a good chunk more professional experience than kreider (despite never playing a full season).

dwight king had 5 goals, 3 assists and was a +3 in the playoffs
chris kreider's 5 goals, 2 assists and -4 in the playoffs. def was arguable that king was better 'in the playoffs', but we're talking a kid that played 53 NHL games(regular season experience ofc) and a kid that played 18(starting in the playoffs)

in fact, most people from what i recall did not think king was a better player, but having even production in the playoffs were using him as a comparison to kreider's performance (who was definitely more praised/talked about at the time)


BUT-- from a future perspective, i think it's safe to assume that ck is the better player and has a higher potential. he is the same size, better hands and MUCH better feet, just needs some time under his belt to adjust to the league. dk was more physically engaged in the playoffs, but once again-- NHL and AHL experience against men vs college experience against kids. (and remember that hit on Pietrangelo easily could've been a suspension due to that more physical game which could've put his team behind-- so it's not nesc a good thing to be more physical.. albeit he did take out st.louis' best defenseman and arguably best player)

but regardless of who was better in the playoffs, CK is projected higher for a reason-- dat speed

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Weren't Kings fans saying that one kid on their roster was better than Kreider?

This is why I don't talk to fans of other teams on here.
Dwight King was better than Kreider last year.

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08-31-2012, 02:11 PM
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Kreider will bounce all over the place just like every other Rangers forward. Its just how Torts is.

Kreider has to be a favorite to be a Calder finalist, simply because he lived up to the hype.

Leetch played less than 20 games in 1988 and had a so-so Olympics but he was still a Calder favorite. The only time he was challenged was during Granatos hot start. Linden didn't dominate like Leetch did.

Kreider isn't Prucha or Goneau where he'll sneak up on people for a month or a season. The kid's got a devastating skill set.

I say top-3 along with Huberdeau and Dougie Hamilton if the B's let him play.

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its an 82 game schedule against men. hes going to have his ups and downs. he probably is overrated in that some ppl think e will be a 30 goal scorer right outta the gate...its unlikely.
Yes, if you define overrated that way, then yes, hes overrated.

Prorated, his playoff performance was about 22-23 goals over the course of an entire season. Games are tougher, so thats tough to quantify, but you also have to consider that Torts had absolutely zero top 9 depth to work with, and just flew by the seat of his pants with Kreider. 30 goals is a bit of a reach for this season.

20 or so goals and 40-45 points would be a nice season for a kid's first regular season. He'll probably have some growing pains on the defensive side of the puck and be demoted in the lineup several times as a result, which is why I cant envision his numbers being higher. There will be a backlash against Torts on here, but in reality, it'll wind up being good for his development.

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Yes, if you define overrated that way, then yes, hes overrated.

Prorated, his playoff performance was about 22-23 goals over the course of an entire season. Games are tougher, so thats tough to quantify, but you also have to consider that Torts had absolutely zero top 9 depth to work with, and just flew by the seat of his pants with Kreider. 30 goals is a bit of a reach for this season.

20 or so goals and 40-45 points would be a nice season for a kid's first regular season. He'll probably have some growing pains on the defensive side of the puck and be demoted in the lineup several times as a result, which is why I cant envision his numbers being higher. There will be a backlash against Torts on here, but in reality, it'll wind up being good for his development.
yeah im expecting 20/20ish numbers from him...thats not gonna win the calder though...itll be a nice start from a kid with a very promising future. a lot also depends on who he plays with. if you put him with Richards and Nash he could be devasating...same if you put him with Stepan and Gaborik. if hes with Boyle and Hagelin...maybe not.

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if there is a lockout can kreider compete for calder the following year?

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if there is a lockout can kreider compete for calder the following year?
Yes since he'll meet both age and GP requirements.

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For those keeping score, the last time there was a shortened season, Peter Forsberg won the Calder four full seasons since being drafted.

Kreider was drafted in 2009.

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Two of the fans calling him overrated were, Devil and a Flyer fan. So yeah it figures....

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if there is a lockout can kreider compete for calder the following year?
Actually, if there is a lockout, he can compete for the Calder next year AND the year after. AHL trophy is the Calder Cup

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Actually, if there is a lockout, he can compete for the Calder next year AND the year after. AHL trophy is the Calder Cup
haha yea i know that i was talking about the NHL trophy tho

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