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Better Vision: Tavares vs RNH?

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08-29-2012, 09:48 PM
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Better Vision: Tavares vs RNH?

Which one of these players has better vision?

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08-29-2012, 09:53 PM
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tavares made a career ahl'er a perennial 30+ goal scorer

tavares easilly

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Idk. I think their around equal. Maybe a slight edge to RNH.

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RNH by a little

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tavares made a career ahl'er a perennial 30+ goal scorer

tavares easilly
It seems Islander fans are always saying how underrated Moulson is, yet they always throw him under the bus when trying to make Tavares look good. That comment is ridiculous.

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08-29-2012, 09:59 PM
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love the young guns on the oilers but id say tavares.

(ps hope the rumors about hall being a ****** arent true, really big fan of those kids)

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It seems Islander fans are always saying how underrated Moulson is, yet they always throw him under the bus when trying to make Tavares look good. That comment is ridiculous.
i do think moulson could put up ~25+ goals on any top 2 lines on any nhl team now but if it wasn't for tavares he would never have become a legit nhl player

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Tavares easily.He is better then any of the "big" 4.He put up #s every season so far.

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08-29-2012, 10:14 PM
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It seems Islander fans are always saying how underrated Moulson is, yet they always throw him under the bus when trying to make Tavares look good. That comment is ridiculous.
its true.

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It's very close.

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i do think moulson could put up ~25+ goals on any top 2 lines on any nhl team now but if it wasn't for tavares he would never have become a legit nhl player
Wrong. In Moulson's first 30 goal season, he spent 60% of his ice time with Tavares, and Tavares assisted on 7 of his goals. (By comparison, Trent Hunter assisted on 6 of Moulson's goals despite playing with Moulson only 22% of the time)

The next year, Moulson spent 83% of his time with Tavares, and Tavares assisted on 18 of his goals. Since Tavares has such a huge impact on Moulson, you'd expect a huge leap in Moulson's goal production, right? Wrong. Moulson scored 31 goals.

So clearly, it doesn't really matter how much of an impact Tavares has on Moulson; he'll still be a 30 goal scorer.

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This is Tavares. There's a reason Tavares is on track to be one of the best players in the NHL despite not having elite level skating. His vision is arguably the best in the NHL.

And before I get jumped on by someone saying "You could say the same about RNH!", people have been talking about Tavares vision being extremely high (All time great good) since before he was drafted in the OHL, people didn't say that about RNH untill he was drafted by Edmonton (And about the only people saying are people from Edmonton). RNH has elite vision but it's still a step below Tavares, and that's not a slight against RNH.

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It seems Islander fans are always saying how underrated Moulson is, yet they always throw him under the bus when trying to make Tavares look good. That comment is ridiculous.
That may be true but let's be honest, does Moulson get a chance on any other NHL teams top 6 without Tavares and the barren Islanders? Even if he is no longer a fringe player, it's completely accurate to say Tavares turned a career AHLer in a 30 goal scorer. But you're right about Isles fans, though all fans do it. Depending on the topic of the thread, Edmonton fans have said Hall, RNH, and Eberle are all the best players on that line when they play togther.

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This is Tavares. There's a reason Tavares is on track to be one of the best players in the NHL despite not having elite level skating. His vision is arguably the best in the NHL.

And before I get jumped on by someone saying "You could say the same about RNH!", people have been talking about Tavares vision being extremely high (All time great good) since before he was drafted in the OHL, people didn't say that about RNH untill he was drafted by Edmonton (And about the only people saying are people from Edmonton). RNH has elite vision but it's still a step below Tavares, and that's not a slight against RNH.



That may be true but let's be honest, does Moulson get a chance on any other NHL teams top 6 without Tavares and the barren Islanders? Even if he is no longer a fringe player, it's completely accurate to say Tavares turned a career AHLer in a 30 goal scorer. But you're right about Isles fans, though all fans do it. Depending on the topic of the thread, Edmonton fans have said Hall, RNH, and Eberle are all the best players on that line when they play togther.
Absolutely not. There's just no proof of it, its not accurate at all.

Read the post above yours, some good info in there. Moulson would still be an NHLer whether he played with Tavares or not

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Tavares. I watch as many Isles games I can .

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Absolutely not. There's just no proof of it, its not accurate at all.

Read the post above yours, some good info in there. Moulson would still be an NHLer whether he played with Tavares or not
It's a ridiculous assumption that assists is the measurable for determing the effect on a player. You don't need an assist to create a goal, a scoring chance, for another player. By that logic Hunter was only slighlty less important to Moulson than Tavares which is ridiclous and completely inaccurate. Tavares opened the ice for Moulson, he took the attention off Moulson.

Moulson doesn't play with Tavares during that training camp/pre-season, Moulson probably isn't in the NHL today.

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It's a ridiculous assumption that assists is the measurable for determing the effect on a player. You don't need an assist to create a goal, a scoring chance, for another player. By that logic Hunter was only slighlty less important to Moulson than Tavares which is ridiclous and completely inaccurate. Tavares opened the ice for Moulson, he took the attention off Moulson.

Moulson doesn't play with Tavares during that training camp/pre-season, Moulson probably isn't in the NHL today.
Moulson is a damn good player, he would have found a way, with or without Tavares.

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tavares made a career ahl'er a perennial 30+ goal scorer

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lol islanders fans should look at this post before they call Moulson underrated ever again.

Does Tavares help Moulson? yes
Did he carry him on his back and give him an NHL career? NO.

Moulson would be in the NHL with or without Tavares, he may not have had 3 30 goal seasons but he sure would've had a few 20's.

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It's a ridiculous assumption that assists is the measurable for determing the effect on a player. You don't need an assist to create a goal, a scoring chance, for another player. By that logic Hunter was only slighlty less important to Moulson than Tavares which is ridiclous and completely inaccurate. Tavares opened the ice for Moulson, he took the attention off Moulson.
Hey you what? there a about a dozen-2dozen players who can do that for Moulson too, don't act like the islanders are the only team that would've given him a shot.

You don't think he would've made his way to the NHL on a team like Pittsburgh? Vancouver? Tampa? Philly?

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lol islanders fans should look at this post before they call Moulson underrated ever again.

Does Tavares help Moulson? yes
Did he carry him on his back and give him an NHL career? NO.

Moulson would be in the NHL with or without Tavares, he may not have had 3 30 goal seasons but he sure would've had a few 20's.
No doubt. Very good goal scorer.

As for the poll, I voted RNH, could have gone with either though.

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Moulson is a damn good player, he would have found a way, with or without Tavares.
The guy who signed and wasn't expected to make one of the weakest teams in the NHL? Moulson surprised people, but don't act like he was going to get another NHL job if he didn't make the Islanders. His play with Tavares in the 2009 preseason is why he made the team.

Sports are full of players who would have been nothing if they didn't go to a certain team. Moulson is one of those player. Good player, undervalued before the Islanders but that's some revisionist history if you think he would have found a way guarenteed without the Islanders.

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Hey you what? there a about a dozen-2dozen players who can do that for Moulson too, don't act like the islanders are the only team that would've given him a shot.

You don't think he would've made his way to the NHL on a team like Pittsburgh? Vancouver? Tampa? Philly?
Then why didn't those teams sign him? Moulson looked like one of those players who would be a star in the AHL but not in the NHL. The Kings had pretty awful top 6 wingers when Moulson left their organization but LA showed no interest in signing him.

Moulson was not some highly regarded player, he was a star for Manchester but couldn't stick on the Kings despite their clear need for top 6 wingers. He signed a contract with the Isles because they were a team he could make but he wasn't a shoo-in to make that team either.

You tell someone in August 2009 that this Moulson guy who signed a one year deal with the Islanders is going to score even 20 goals in a season and everyone would either say: 1) Who is this guy? 2) You're out to lunch, he's lucky if he ever players more than 25 games in an NHL season. He's destined to be a Alexandre Giroux/Keith Aucoin type player.

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That's tough. Need to see more of Hopkins before I can say.

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I take Hopkins, but Tavares is a way better goal scorer.

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This is Tavares. There's a reason Tavares is on track to be one of the best players in the NHL despite not having elite level skating. His vision is arguably the best in the NHL.

And before I get jumped on by someone saying "You could say the same about RNH!", people have been talking about Tavares vision being extremely high (All time great good) since before he was drafted in the OHL, people didn't say that about RNH untill he was drafted by Edmonton (And about the only people saying are people from Edmonton). RNH has elite vision but it's still a step below Tavares, and that's not a slight against RNH.



That may be true but let's be honest, does Moulson get a chance on any other NHL teams top 6 without Tavares and the barren Islanders? Even if he is no longer a fringe player, it's completely accurate to say Tavares turned a career AHLer in a 30 goal scorer. But you're right about Isles fans, though all fans do it. Depending on the topic of the thread, Edmonton fans have said Hall, RNH, and Eberle are all the best players on that line when they play togther.
People like myself who saw him in bantam and in the dub were saying how elite his vision is.

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Tavares quite easily

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I'd say Tavares but honestly I don't think we have come close to seeing the best of either player.

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