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08-31-2012, 10:16 AM
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First new cba cap circumvention idea

Assuming there is a compliance cap buyout provision in the new cba.....

Is there anything stopping the oilers and flyers from swapping horcoff for briere. Both player get bought out for 2/3 of their salary, then the original team signs them for 1/3 .

The players get their money up front, the teams each get a nice cap savings.

Both teams like the players but would prefer a lower cap hit. Both players like the team and would probably be willing to help.

If this is compliant, are there any other trades that could help your team?

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Compliance/amnesty buyouts are for players on the roster before the CBA expires.

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Has there even been discussion of amnesty buyouts? Our GM said a while back that it wasn't even being discussed, but that was before the CBA "talks" began. (Since I don't think they're going to agree to a new CBA without a lockout, I haven't been following the details of what the sides are proposing very closely.)

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Why would the flyers but out briere? That makes no sense. Couturier is still a few years away from top six and Im not sure where Schenn is. Briere still produces and is clutch as all hell putting up a PPG in the playoffs.

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Why would the flyers but out briere? That makes no sense. Couturier is still a few years away from top six and Im not sure where Schenn is. Briere still produces and is clutch as all hell putting up a PPG in the playoffs.
The thought being that he'd now be under contract for only 1/3 of amount (and 1/3 or less of the cap hit), because the buy-out of players would not count against the cap.

That is such an obvious ploy, I'd expect a call from the league office, and some sort of penatly (ala Kovalchuk) for attempting to circumvent the spirit of the CBA.

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Assuming there is a compliance cap buyout provision in the new cba.....

Is there anything stopping the oilers and flyers from swapping horcoff for briere. Both player get bought out for 2/3 of their salary, then the original team signs them for 1/3 .

The players get their money up front, the teams each get a nice cap savings.

Both teams like the players but would prefer a lower cap hit. Both players like the team and would probably be willing to help.

If this is compliant, are there any other trades that could help your team?
There are many things stopping the Oilers and Flyers from swapping Horcoff for Briere, and none have to do with the cap.

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The league would put a hold on the trade until after the buy out period, unless the teams in question want to gamble and trade before the CBA is finalized. IMHO, I don't think that the Flyers will have any problems with the cap once they put Pronger on LTIR. I do not believe that the cap will be $58Mil. It would also make sense if it was included in the CBA about buy outs not being able to re-sign with any team(s) that the player belong to since July 1st.

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With Pronger on LTIR I think that PHI will be fine. I don't see the cap being at 58mil when the season starts, probally about 62mil. I do think that teams will be able to buy out players with it not going against the cap though.

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With Pronger on LTIR I think that PHI will be fine. I don't see the cap being at 58mil when the season starts, probally about 62mil. I do think that teams will be able to buy out players with it not going against the cap though.
Pronger and Meszaros will be on LTIR and possibly Lilja, so that helps a lot.

And I think the cap will be anywhere from 60-64m ish

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$61.6Mil would put it at ~ 50-50
There would have to be an amnesty buy out for teams to comply, where the money goes straight to the player instead of escrow. And the player can not re-sign with the team that bought them out.

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Has there even been discussion of amnesty buyouts? Our GM said a while back that it wasn't even being discussed, but that was before the CBA "talks" began. (Since I don't think they're going to agree to a new CBA without a lockout, I haven't been following the details of what the sides are proposing very closely.)
I wouldn't mind them putting in a one-time amnesty, but it should be in conjunction with closing the "bury X in the AHL/Europe" AKA the Redden/Huet loophole.

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I wouldn't mind them putting in a one-time amnesty, but it should be in conjunction with closing the "bury X in the AHL/Europe" AKA the Redden/Huet loophole.
They would need to, otherwise there would be a lot of 1 way contracts in the "A". That is if they do reduce the salary cap (which seems likely) without rollbacks.

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There are many things stopping the Oilers and Flyers from swapping Horcoff for Briere, and none have to do with the cap.
lol, seriously. I imagine this trade going down with Philadelphia buying out Horcoff then Edmonton saying "SIKE" to the re-trade and keeping Briere

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Assuming there is a compliance cap buyout provision in the new cba.....

Is there anything stopping the oilers and flyers from swapping horcoff for briere. Both player get bought out for 2/3 of their salary, then the original team signs them for 1/3 .

The players get their money up front, the teams each get a nice cap savings.

Both teams like the players but would prefer a lower cap hit. Both players like the team and would probably be willing to help.

If this is compliant, are there any other trades that could help your team?

CBA Article 26: No Circumvention

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There are many things stopping the Oilers and Flyers from swapping Horcoff for Briere, and none have to do with the cap.


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lol, seriously. I imagine this trade going down with Philadelphia buying out Horcoff then Edmonton saying "SIKE" to the re-trade and keeping Briere

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I wouldn't mind them putting in a one-time amnesty, but it should be in conjunction with closing the "bury X in the AHL/Europe" AKA the Redden/Huet loophole.
I have zero problem with players being lent to Europe. Burrying them in the minors has to stop tho.

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Credit to the OP for creativity but it's clear circumvention.

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Credit to the OP for creativity but it's clear circumvention.
So ?

A lot of things were clear circumvention and the league only cracked down on a couple

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Just have each team include two conditional first round picks. If a team doesn't follow through the other team gets them. No way is Briere worth Horcoff + 2 top ten picks.

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So ?

A lot of things were clear circumvention and the league only cracked down on a couple
No, anything that was allowed could have been argued (even if it was a terrible argument), this is as blatant a scenario as one could imagine.

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There was a rule against player re-signing with the team that bought them out last time around. I don't see why they wouldn't keep the rule if they did amnesty buyouts again.

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Ha thats a pretty good idea. Clear cap circumvention, and would clearly by nullifed by the front office, especially in the first year of a new CBA.

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Ha thats a pretty good idea. Clear cap circumvention, and would clearly by nullifed by the front office, especially in the first year of a new CBA.
...after buying out the contracts, the 2 players become virtual free agents, the league steps in and voids the new contracts (from the OP's scenario), and not allowed to sign with the buy out teams, and can only sign with the other 28 teams... oops!!!

...and then have to forfeit a draft pick for trying to circumvent the buy out amnesty clause...

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There was a rule against player re-signing with the team that bought them out last time around. I don't see why they wouldn't keep the rule if they did amnesty buyouts again.
That's why Briere and Horcoff are traded for one another. So they're not being bought out by the team they're going to sign with.

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