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10-31-2012, 06:48 PM
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I don't get why people are arguing with MS on this. He's 100% right.

There are 30 #1 defensemen in the NHL by simple reasoning. (30 teams= 30 #1 spots available)
There are 30 #2 defensemen
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People are using the term #1 incorrectly when they really mean 'Franchise' (Weber) or 'Star' (Doughty) or 'Generational talent' (Lidstrom).

I don't see how this is hard to grasp/define.
If that's the definition of #1 defensemen, then why r we even discussing/trying to define the meaning about it? Since every team has one, then everyone should be happy.

But if we r talking about pure skills and attributes of a player and not a position, then there's something to discuss about

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10-31-2012, 06:53 PM
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If that's the definition of #1 defensemen, then why r we even discussing/trying to define the meaning about it? Since every team has one, then everyone should be happy.

But if we r talking about pure skills and attributes of a player and not a position, then there's something to discuss about
He never said that every team has a number one defenseman.

He said that there are 30 number one defensemen, i.e. the 30 best defensemen are the 30 number one defensemen. Some teams have more than one, some teams don't have one.

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10-31-2012, 06:55 PM
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He never said every team has a number one defenseman.
really? damn...i swear i saw it...

in any case, i wish we'd discuss more about our prospects than this

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I don't get why people are arguing with MS on this. He's 100% right.

There are 30 #1 defensemen in the NHL by simple reasoning. (30 teams= 30 #1 spots available)
There are 30 #2 defensemen
etc

People are using the term #1 incorrectly when they really mean 'Franchise' (Weber) or 'Star' (Doughty) or 'Generational talent' (Lidstrom).

I don't see how this is hard to grasp/define.
Okay but, lets say hypothetically there were 31 Shea Weber's in the league, are only 30 of them considered to be #1 defensemen? Obviously this is a ridiculous comparison, but I'm not fully sure you can define a #1 defenseman by the top 30 in the league. I just think there should be different criteria than that. Even if we made my example more realistic, lets say there is no clearly defined separation between 20 and 40 on defense, who is considered a #1 and who is considered a #2?

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10-31-2012, 06:59 PM
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If that's the definition of #1 defensemen, then why r we even discussing/trying to define the meaning about it? Since every team has one, then everyone should be happy.

But if we r talking about pure skills and attributes of a player and not a position, then there's something to discuss about


People aren't happy because they want a better defensenmen then they currently have as their #1.

Example: We would rather have Weber at our #1 position rather than Edler at this current moment.
The Oilers would rather have Pronger at their #1 position rather than Smid.

Simply put, people refer to "#1" as someone who can shut down forwards, pk, pp, and do it very well. There are very few of those defensemen, and we need to stop referring to those in the number system. The "Elite, good, average, bad" scale is much less ambiguous and objectionable than "#1 defensemen".

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10-31-2012, 07:01 PM
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hahhahahahaha has this topic gone on for that long, you all know what each other are talking about. everybody knows what people mean when they say that, who cares what they call it

now drop it, what a ridiculous "debate"

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Okay but, lets say hypothetically there were 31 Shea Weber's in the league, are only 30 of them considered to be #1 defensemen? Obviously this is a ridiculous comparison, but I'm not fully sure you can define a #1 defenseman by the top 30 in the league. I just think there should be different criteria than that. Even if we made my example more realistic, lets say there is no clearly defined separation between 20 and 40 on defense, who is considered a #1 and who is considered a #2?
Referring to my own post, that is why categorizing players as "godly, good, mediocre, bad, lebda" is much simpler.

People are trying to quantify a qualitative.

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10-31-2012, 07:05 PM
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Referring to my own post, that is why categorizing players as "godly, good, mediocre, bad, lebda" is much simpler.

People are trying to quantify a qualitative.
i agree with this too


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10-31-2012, 07:06 PM
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I don't get why people are arguing with MS on this. He's 100% right.

There are 30 #1 defensemen in the NHL by simple reasoning. (30 teams= 30 #1 spots available)
There are 30 #2 defensemen
etc

People are using the term #1 incorrectly when they really mean 'Franchise' (Weber) or 'Star' (Doughty) or 'Generational talent' (Lidstrom).

I don't see how this is hard to grasp/define.
Come on down Bryce Salvador, you know the #1 defensman.

How can someone be 100% right, when we as fans can't even decide who the Canucks #1 is?

PS Doughty and Weber belong in the same group.

Anyways, back to prospects talk.....anyone have a source on the potential Jensen concussion?

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11-01-2012, 11:09 AM
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Talk has #Canucks forward Nicklas Jensen as 1 of the leading candidates for rookie of the year in Swedish Elite League - 11pnts in 17 gp.
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A-I-K assistant coach and former #Canucks Mats Lindgren tells CKWX that Jensen has a major league shot and is strong in the offensive zone.
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Lindgren says Jensen gets lots of pp time and works hard and is eager to learn & 2 Canucks scouts have watched Jensen this year already.
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Lidngren says he's in regular contact with Dave Gagner about Jensen.
So excited to see him with the big club!

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11-01-2012, 12:03 PM
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So excited to see him with the big club!
All good info to see. Didn't realize Lindgren was part of the coaching staff - liked him a lot during his short time in Vancouver.

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So excited to see him with the big club!
I really like the last two tweets. It's great to hear that Jensen is working hard to improve. Before his draft there was some concern over his consistency, which lead to some people questioning his work ethic. That quote seems to debunk that concern. It's also good to hear that the Canucks are paying close attention to Jensen, and are in regular contact with AIK.

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Also debunks that he's injured/concussed.

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So excited to see him with the big club!
Very promising. Makes you wonder how someone with his skill and size fell to us in that draft. If he and Kassian both develop well and develop chemistry together, that will be a very nice line.

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All good info to see. Didn't realize Lindgren was part of the coaching staff - liked him a lot during his short time in Vancouver.
Lars was the scout that "found" Eddie Lack.

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Come on down Bryce Salvador, you know the #1 defensman.

How can someone be 100% right, when we as fans can't even decide who the Canucks #1 is?

PS Doughty and Weber belong in the same group.

Anyways, back to prospects talk.....anyone have a source on the potential Jensen concussion?
Reading comprehension: you lack it in this case. Bryce Salvador is not a Top 30 defenseman in the league.

Anywho, my point was that people should be saying the Canucks need a franchise defenseman, not a #1, which we already have 1-2 of (I don't actually think we need one personally)

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11-01-2012, 06:10 PM
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11-01-2012, 06:52 PM
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Lars was the scout that set up the phone tap on the Detriot scout that "found" Eddie Lack.
this is how I imagine we find all our Swedish picks after the Edler episode

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11-01-2012, 07:07 PM
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Lars was the scout that "found" Eddie Lack.
I think it's Mats Lindgren that's the Asst. Coach for AIK...at least that's what the Twitter quote says. Lars is a European scout for us, IIRC.

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11-01-2012, 09:23 PM
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Don't know much about the Kalamazoo Wings but Polasek has 1 assist and is +1 over 7 GP.

Archibald has 6 points (3 goals) in 7 games.

Joe Cannata has only played 2 games, but won both with a .944 save %...

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Is there any place where we can see the stats of all Canucks prospects in one place?

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Is there any place where we can see the stats of all Canucks prospects in one place?
Here

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pretty bleak. Not a lot of guys meeting expectations let alone exceeding them (Cannata, Corrado, Jensen, Tommernes, Price), only a few more hanging around passable. Let's hope the rest pick it up a bit.

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pretty bleak. Not a lot of guys meeting expectations let alone exceeding them (Cannata, Corrado, Jensen, Tommernes, Price), only a few more hanging around passable. Let's hope the rest pick it up a bit.
It's definitely early, but no one's stats are really wow'ing us at this point aside from Jensen (level of competition and his age) and Corrado (not a big point producer the last two seasons)

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