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09-02-2012, 06:25 PM
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Rangers - Leafs

I think this is my first proposal thread... Could be my second. This is a trade that would never happen, it's a pretty lateral move, but it's just to see if the value is there.

To Toronto:

Ryan McDonagh

To New York:

Jake Gardiner
Nazem Kadri

Reason... I like McDonagh a lot

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09-02-2012, 06:28 PM
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So basically... McDonagh for two guys who have proven zero in the NHL? I'm sure I don't have to tell you the NYR pass.

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No. A thousand times no.

Kadri doesn't make up for Gardiner being not nearly as good as McDonagh.

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Personally for me Jake Gardiner's name should not be involved in any trade talks and the Leafs shouldn't rush yet to give up on Kadri, so I say no deal.

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No, you will have to give a lot more than that.

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McDonagh was 6th I believe in Norris votes this year, playing mainly a defensive role at the age of 21. If anyone is more untouchable on the team it's Lundqvist.

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Personally for me Jake Gardiner's name should not be involved in any trade talks and the Leafs shouldn't rush yet to give up on Kadri, so I say no deal.
You should hope Gardiner becomes McDonagh.

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Would rather keep Gardiner and Kadri and let them develop. In a few years Gardiner>McDonaugh.

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Don't get me wrong I love McDonagh, but he's had one good year on an extremely defensive team, he is a great player, but not nearly as great as some of you are implying.

As to the first reply, how is Gardiner not proven? He's slightly less proven then McDonagh in the fact that he's not as defensive, but he's a quality Top 4 defensemen and will only improve.

Kadri is a good prospect who gets quite a lot of hate and disrespect on these boards, he's filling out and he's undeniably skilled, he can play all three forward positions and he's definitely no toss-in.

I think the value is pretty close.

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You should hope Gardiner becomes McDonagh.
Based on his play from this past season I can't see why that won't happen.

Plus let's not forget Gardiner was a non starter in the Rick Nash trade talks and he won't be traded for Luongo.

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absolutely not Gardiner is a gem he was on the all rookie team for D

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I think this is my first proposal thread... Could be my second. This is a trade that would never happen, it's a pretty lateral move, but it's just to see if the value is there.

To Toronto:

Ryan McDonagh

To New York:

Jake Gardiner
Nazem Kadri

Reason... I like McDonagh a lot
It should be your last proposal.

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The difference between McD and Gards ain't Naz. Rangers laugh in our faces.

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So basically... McDonagh for two guys who have proven zero in the NHL? I'm sure I don't have to tell you the NYR pass.
So basically... Gomez for McDonagh who have proven zero in the NHL? I'm sure I don't have to tell you the NYR pass.

well, thankfully in summer 2009 The NYR didn't follow your wisdom.

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back to 2009: So basically... Gomez for McDonagh who have proven zero in the NHL? I'm sure I don't have to tell you the NYR pass.

well, thankfully NYR didn't follow your wisdom.
Yes. The two scenarios are identical.

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Yes. The two scenarios are identical.
Not identical, but the spirit is there! Not wanting to make a trade on the basic of NHL experience is not a good reason enough.

There is plenty of reason to trade a proven asset for a player without NHL experience.

Take note that I am not talking about this proposal, just about the argumentation.

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Not identical, but the spirit is there! Not wanting to make a trade on the basic of NHL experience is not a good reason enough.

There is plenty of reason to trade a proven asset for a player without NHL experience.
It really isn't. New York had every reason to cash out on Gomez at the time. The same can't be said for McDonagh.

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Not identical, but the spirit is there! Not wanting to make a trade on the basic of NHL experience is not a good reason enough.

There is plenty of reason to trade a proven asset for a player without NHL experience.

Take note that I am not talking about this proposal, just about the argumentation.
No. The spirit is not there. The Rangers wanted to trade Gomez. Gomez being gone was enough.

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It really isn't. New York had every reason to cash out on Gomez at the time. The same can't be said for McDonagh.
I agree, but this not a question of "Proven asset" vs potential.

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No. The spirit is not there. The Rangers wanted to trade Gomez. Gomez being gone was enough.
Then why did Montreal had to give their best prospect?

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I seriously can't believe tnhat Leafs fans would be the one turning this down. McDonagh, at the age of 21, already threw himself up as part of that top group of defensemen. Once he adds his offense it's going to be scary. He hasn't even been close to his prime.

Jake is a great young defensemen but not in the class of McD.

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Then why did Montreal had to give their best prospect?
They were dumb enough to offer him.

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McDonagh had 32 points in 82 games with 25A and 7 Goals

Gardiner had 30 points in 75 games with 23A and 7 Goals which took him 7 games less than McDonagh

McDonagh is only a year older, I don't see how it's an upgrade especially when Gardiner was on pace to out score McDonagh had he played a full 82 game season.

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Then why did Montreal had to give their best prospect?
Because Pierre Gauthier was negotiating their side of the deal.

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Then why did Montreal had to give their best prospect?
Ya got me.

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