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01-21-2013, 06:46 PM
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1973 Draft - Denis Potvin

Need a little help from some of u historians. Back in the '73 Draft, I remember a lot of rumours flying around Montreal trying to get Islanders pick for Denis Potvin. Habs made a lot of trades that day...just wanted to know if anybody remember what they offered Islanders and what trades Habs did make that day?

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Sam Pollock certainly went out of his way to try & acquire Potvin, pre-Draft offering picks & or "mature players" in exchange for Torreys 1st pick, turned down, then tried again after the Islanders had selected him, offering additional players. As the Isles were coming off an absolutely abysmal season, the quick-fix of some game ready players mustve been pretty attractive. Turned down the 2nd offer as well as he intended to stick to his plan to build through the draft. Absolutely no idea what players Pollock offered up though... that year they picked 8th, none other than Bob Gainey; they also flipped a lot of picks & acquired some for future Drafts, including one they used in 77 selecting Mark Napier.

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Pollock had stockpiled many picks in the first two rounds (including the #2 with the hopes of sending some of them along with a couple of veterans to the Islanders for the Potvin pick. Bill Torrey said that Pollock asked him to go for a walk together the morning of the draft, and that everytime they walked around the block, Pollock would sweeten the offer for Potvin. But Torrey figured that if someone as smart as Pollock wanted Potvin that bad, that was a good indication that he was worth keeping.

After missing out on Potvin, Pollock knew his next choice (Bob Gainey) wouldn't be taken early, so he dealt the #2 overall pick to move down a few spots in return for some high picks in future years.

There's a list of traded draft picks for the '73 draft here http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1973/73trade.htm, though it can be confusing to follow with many picks being traded more than once.

It's amazing how many of Pollock's trades were for picks for drafts that were five years away.


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Link was a little hard to understand...best I can gather...Montreal traded Carol Vadnais, Minnesota's 2nd round pick in '72 for California's 1st round pick in '73. Which was 2nd overall, in attempt to get Potvin. This failed Pollock then traded the 2nd overall, his own 16th overall pick and 2nd round pick to Atlanta for their 5th overall pick, Flames 1977 first round pick and Atlanta's 2nd round pick from 1978?

If it is...great trade for Flames as they netted Tom Lysiak and Eric Vail in same draft.

Then Pollock traded Atlanta's 5th overall, Montreal's 3rd round pick in '73 to St. Louis for 8th overall pick, their 4th round pick in '73 and their 1st round pick in 1975. Then drafted Gainey. Kind of hard to follow but think I have it figured out...busy day for Pollock.

All-in-all he traded down twice, netting a 1st round pick in '75 and another in 1977. Kind of backfired on him as late picks he gave up...Vail and Gassoff had better careers than those two first round picks...Sadler and Napier.

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Sadler didn't have the inclination to play pro hockey and there might be more behind the story than what we know. There was nothing wrong with his skill set which was simply outstanding.

Napier was a solid pick had 3 years of 35, 40, 40 goals but he was a better pond hockey type of player than a consummate pro to be sure.

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Bill Torrey was assistant GM for the Oakland Seals. He saw the disaster of trading away draft picks for old age veterans. He wasn't going to be fleeced by Mr. Pollock.

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Overall, this seems like a very weak draft.

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P noollock was a great gm but had his share of busts.1973 Gainey and Goldup were the only players to have a good nhl career.1974-Cam Conner 1975-Robin Sadler1976-Peter Lee.1978-Dan geoffrion.Now in those drafts he had many steals.The scouting team of habs drafted many good Americans who became stars by the mid-80's

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Bill Torrey was assistant GM for the Oakland Seals. He saw the disaster of trading away draft picks for old age veterans. He wasn't going to be fleeced by Mr. Pollock.
Good point

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Overall, this seems like a very weak draft.
How you figure that...4 hall of famers in first round...bunch of other good players also

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How you figure that...4 hall of famers in first round...bunch of other good players also
3 HOF's in the first round and a few good players sprinkled about the remaining rounds. Middleton could be a HOFer. Perhaps, this is normal.

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Middleton not in hall of fame....i just checked it out he is not. Kind of suprising with likes of Mullen, Federko, Anderson in. I would take Nifty in a second over any of those.

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Middleton not in hall of fame....i just checked it out he is not. Kind of suprising with likes of Mullen, Federko, Anderson in. I would take Nifty in a second over any of those.
Same here. Still my favourite Bruin ever. A really under appreciated all round talent.

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Same here. Still my favourite Bruin ever. A really under appreciated all round talent.
Yeah, I was suprised on that one.

What ya think if Seals finished lower and Habs had been able to draft Potvin? Or standings stayed the same but Habs take Lysiak or MacDonald 2nd overall?

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Or standings stayed the same but Habs take Lysiak or MacDonald 2nd overall?
Lysiak stated before the draft that he would refuse to go to Montreal if they drafted him, then later said that he wouldn't go to Toronto or Vancouver either. Supposedly because he really wanted to go to Atlanta and play for Bernie Geoffrion, and those three teams held the picks before Atlanta's.

Yet oddly enough, he's not hated for it the way Lindros was/is.

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Bill Torrey was assistant GM for the Oakland Seals. He saw the disaster of trading away draft picks for old age veterans. He wasn't going to be fleeced by Mr. Pollock.
This.

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Lysiak stated before the draft that he would refuse to go to Montreal if they drafted him, then later said that he wouldn't go to Toronto or Vancouver either. Supposedly because he really wanted to go to Atlanta and play for Bernie Geoffrion, and those three teams held the picks before Atlanta's.

Yet oddly enough, he's not hated for it the way Lindros was/is.
Right on...I did some research on it and found good article. Habs wanted Lysiak..kind of backed their way into Gainey. That was one odd draft

http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com...om-lysiak.html

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