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01-12-2005, 10:43 AM
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What does it take to move Tkachuk?

I am curious to know the likelyhood of Tkachuk being dealt or dumped and what do you guys think it would take to make him a Sen if:

1. The Sens paid his full salary.

2. If the blues ate half of it (lets say 4 million per year.)


Imo if its #1, they get nothing more than a decent pick (and Ottawa probably doesn't do this...). if its #2 they could get a good prospect.
What do think? who or what from the Sens to get him/take him off St Louis' hands?
and is St Louis even looking to move him?

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01-12-2005, 02:47 PM
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I doubt the Sens could even afford him if the Blues ate half the salary. That's still over $5mill a year added to a payroll that's gotta be near it's limit already.

I think Tkachuk is stuck a Blue until his contract expires... going into a new CBA and with all the financial uncertainty around the league right now, I don't see a guy like Tkachuk going anywhere.

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01-12-2005, 02:51 PM
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I doubt the Sens could even afford him if the Blues ate half the salary. That's still over $5mill a year added to a payroll that's gotta be near it's limit already.

I think Tkachuk is stuck a Blue until his contract expires... going into a new CBA and with all the financial uncertainty around the league right now, I don't see a guy like Tkachuk going anywhere.
sadly but true

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The Blues would have to pay just about his entire salary. I doubt you'll find a taker.

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Tkachuk is the poster boy for why the NHL needs a new CBA with "cost certainty." He is an overpaid player who is NOT a team leader, has never won anything and seems to hold out on every contract. Why any team would want a cancer like that in their room I could not imagine, but St. Louis would have to pay at least half his bloated salary to get rid of him.

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Why on earth would Ottawa want Tkachuk? He's overpaid, has a bad attitude, and disappears in the playoffs.

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Why on earth would Ottawa want Tkachuk? He's overpaid, has a bad attitude, and disappears in the playoffs.
He's one of the premier PF's in the league.

I'd take Tkachuk...as much as I hate him...in a blink of an eye. I don't think his value is very high right now, so he could be had for "cheap" relatively speaking.

The offer would greatly depend on what the Blues needs are.

Too bad they actually drafted a good goalie...so we can't offer Emery. I'd love to get him out of the organization while his value is still high.

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01-12-2005, 09:08 PM
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aarggh...i had a typed a whole reasonably well thought out post addressing each of those issues, and then my own thoughts on why it would work.
hit submit and lost it all......and now i no longer have the patience to retype.

briefly:

1. I was assuming Ottawa would get him at a reduced rate.
2. A lot of winning goes a long way to improving an attitude, not to mention having a dick, that plays mean, plays on a top line, can pot goals from the LW is a very very nice addition to Ottawa as it kills several birds with one stone.
I also think that Ottawa's team is mature enough not to be adversely influenced by Tkachuk. a couple of years ago maybe not but im not worried about the core now.
3. His playoff stats aren't too bad for a guy that hasn't been deep in the playoffs, and he'd hardly be counted on to carry the team.

anyway here's how the roster could look (there are a couple of other sweet combo's but i like this one.:

Havlat-Spezza-Hossa
Tkachuk-Smoke-Alfie
Vermette-Fisher-Neil
Shaefer-White-Varada

I don't really like Tkachuk the person, but he does address what need and its not like our line-up is littered with jerks. Adding a jerk to the dressing room might be jsut what the doctor ordered anyway. (they wouldn't be the first team to win with an a-hole in the line-up)
He'll liekly stick up for his teamates and get his nose dirty and that always goes over well in dressing room.

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01-12-2005, 09:11 PM
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Havlat-Spezza-Hossa
Sorry dude...but everytime they've tried Havlat on the LW...he's been a useless tittie there.

He was drafted as a C...then converted to a RW because he didn't know how to back check and couldn't protect the puck when cutting to the net on the LW.

He's a RW...that'll never change.

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01-12-2005, 09:15 PM
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no probelm, it was just one way to configure the line-up. imo havlat can play anywhere and be effective, ive seen every game he's played RW or LW and really it would only be a matter of time for him to adjust.
it was tried in such a limited fashion that to say that he was useless is a stretch.

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01-12-2005, 09:23 PM
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it was tried in such a limited fashion that to say that he was useless is a stretch.
They've tried so many things with havlat it's not even funny. I'm sure they strapped pads on him too to see if he could stop a puck from center ice.

He's a born and bread RW...just like Bondra. We all know how that LW experiment worked out. "Useless Tittie".

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The Blues would have to pay just about his entire salary. I doubt you'll find a taker.
The Kings have an extra 5 or so million to spend....I know I'd rather have him then Kariya....

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Why on earth would Ottawa want Tkachuk? He's overpaid, has a bad attitude, and disappears in the playoffs.
We have talked about the Sens problem to score goals in the post-season and now you want to trade for a big no-show in the playoffs? Are that blinded by the fact that Tkachuk is a Power Forward?

Get real folks.

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01-13-2005, 08:04 AM
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They've tried so many things with havlat it's not even funny. I'm sure they strapped pads on him too to see if he could stop a puck from center ice.

He's a born and bread RW...just like Bondra. We all know how that LW experiment worked out. "Useless Tittie".
Havlat has excelled when used as a LW in every system but the one employed Jacques Martin. Then again, try putting together the list of players who have put up big numbers on LW playing Martin's version of the left wing lock.

Until Havlat is given a chance to show what he can do on the top two lines in Ottawa as a LW under Murray I don't think it is wise to move him.

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01-13-2005, 09:50 AM
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We have talked about the Sens problem to score goals in the post-season and now you want to trade for a big no-show in the playoffs? Are that blinded by the fact that Tkachuk is a Power Forward?

Get real folks.
have you actually looked at his playoff stats?

1991-1992 Jets 7 3 0 3
1992-1993 Jets 6 4 0 4
1995-1996 Jets 6 1 2 3
1996-1997 Coyotes 7 6 0 6
1997-1998 Coyotes 6 3 3 6
1998-1999 Coyotes 7 1 3 4
1999-2000 Coyotes 5 1 1 2
2000-2001 Blues 15 2 7 9
2001-2002 Blues 10 5 5 10
2002-2003 Blues 7 1 3 4
2003-2004 Blues 5 0 2 2

To say he disappears in the playoffs is silly. When you consistently play on one line teams that don't make it out of the first round its tough to put up great numbers. He has four real nice playoff outings a couple of pretty good ones and a few bad ones. Pretty much like most players.
Im hardly "blinded" by the fact he's a PF and i don't think i need to "get real" either.
His style of play is something the Sens could use even if he wasn't scoring goals, (which i think he would do in far greater bunches in Ottawa than St Louis).

Im not sure how you don't see that quite frankly.

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They've tried so many things with havlat it's not even funny. I'm sure they strapped pads on him too to see if he could stop a puck from center ice.

He's a born and bread RW...just like Bondra. We all know how that LW experiment worked out. "Useless Tittie".
You must have missed him playing LW in the Olympics i guess..... he was so useless there that the Czechs considered him their best player.
DIfferent coach, different styles, different results.

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I've always wanted him on the Stars, especially after his WC performance.

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You must have missed him playing LW in the Olympics i guess..... he was so useless there that the Czechs considered him their best player.
DIfferent coach, different styles, different results.
I was talking about his play in a SEns uniform.

Maybe the new coach can change that.

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I was talking about his play in a SEns uniform.

Maybe the new coach can change that.
Which is exactly why we shouldn't move him until we've had a chance to see him play LW for Murray.

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have you actually looked at his playoff stats?

1991-1992 Jets 7 3 0 3
1992-1993 Jets 6 4 0 4
1995-1996 Jets 6 1 2 3
1996-1997 Coyotes 7 6 0 6
1997-1998 Coyotes 6 3 3 6
1998-1999 Coyotes 7 1 3 4
1999-2000 Coyotes 5 1 1 2
2000-2001 Blues 15 2 7 9
2001-2002 Blues 10 5 5 10
2002-2003 Blues 7 1 3 4
2003-2004 Blues 5 0 2 2
Tkachuk, for the most part, has been a 35-40 goal scorer. He's only averaged a point-per-game twice in eleven years. 9 first round losses too. That's not good. He was even captain for many of those teams.

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its a team game, and i don't care if he was the captain. he doesn't have to be the captain in Ottawa, he doesn't have to carry the team and Ottawa is not a one line team.

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It takes a dumb GM because he is overpaid and sucks and takes alot of dumb penalties in the playoffs and I'm pretty Havlat will play good at LW under a new coach.

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To move Tkachuk they would have to eat much of his salary or take on significant salary in return. For example, there's some talk on the Isles board of aquiring him if they could get rid of Peca and Hamrlik or Parrish's salaries for him (a very bad idea in my opinion.)

Unless a team with very, very deep pockets wants him for a playoff run (which doesn't look very likely at this point) then you'll probably be stuck with him until his contract runs out.

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Tkachuk-Spezza-Hossa
Havlat-Smoke-Alfie
Vermette-Fisher-Neil
Shaefer-White-Varada

It is siumple just switch tkachuk and havlat and it looks good, Ottawa could use Tkachuk and he would be a great addition.

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