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#10 Center in the NHL for the 12/13 season is?

View Poll Results: HFBoards Top 30 Centers - #10
Jason Spezza 78 36.28%
Henrik Zetterberg 11 5.12%
Nicklas Backstrom 70 32.56%
Ryan Getzlaf 7 3.26%
Eric Staal 8 3.72%
Joe Thornton 16 7.44%
Mikko Koivu 0 0%
Patrice Bergeron 3 1.40%
Jamie Benn 5 2.33%
David Backes 1 0.47%
Brad Richards 3 1.40%
Ryan Kesler 0 0%
Jordan Staal 0 0%
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 6 2.79%
Logan Couture 0 0%
Tyler Seguin 2 0.93%
Vincent Lecavalier 0 0%
Paul Stastny 1 0.47%
David Krejci 1 0.47%
Mike Richards 3 1.40%
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09-04-2012, 11:26 AM
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Not sure how Jason Spezza is about to fall out of the top 10 centres rankings after finishing 4th in scoring, but anyways...
Because Kopitar won a cup so he's obviously a better player. That's how it works, right? I'd put both Spezza and Backstrom ahead of him. Oh well.

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09-04-2012, 11:28 AM
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I noticed you avoided mentioning Colin Greening and Milan Michalek in your post.

Nicely done!
You mean the Milan Michalek who was voted an All-Star starter? Hmm, yeah, must've slipped my mind.

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09-04-2012, 11:46 AM
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You mean the Milan Michalek who was voted an All-Star starter? Hmm, yeah, must've slipped my mind.
Yeah, funny how he put up career highs with Spezza.

Everyone was falling over themselves calling him an elite winger before this season.

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09-04-2012, 11:48 AM
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Yeah, funny how he put up career highs with Spezza.

Everyone was falling over themselves calling him an elite winger before this season.
So why was he voted an All-Star starter? Do you see the point i'm trying to make here?

The double standards on this forum are ridiculous. First, Michalek is a great offensive player, and is voted to be an all-star starter. Now, when the topic is on Spezza... Spezza carried Michalek! And then when the topic is on Karlsson... Karlsson carried the Sens offense!

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Because Kopitar won a cup so he's obviously a better player. That's how it works, right? I'd put both Spezza and Backstrom ahead of him. Oh well.
Spezza flat out cannot fill Kopitar's role in the Kings' system.

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Quick question for all you HFboard experts: How is Jason Spezza, who just finished 4th OVERALL in scoring and 6th OVERALL in hart votes, not considered a top ten CENTRE going in to next season?
One very good regular season doesnt mean hes going to repeat, believe it or not.

2 seasons ago Backstrom wouldve been 10 spots ahead of Spezza.

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09-04-2012, 12:12 PM
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Backstrom, then Spezza then Thornton

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09-04-2012, 12:16 PM
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So why was he voted an All-Star starter? Do you see the point i'm trying to make here?

The double standards on this forum are ridiculous. First, Michalek is a great offensive player, and is voted to be an all-star starter. Now, when the topic is on Spezza... Spezza carried Michalek! And then when the topic is on Karlsson... Karlsson carried the Sens offense!
Both Karlsson and Spezza were top 10 Hart vote getters this past season.

This was due to the incredible impact the two players had on a team most had predicted for the basement of the league.

Spezza's goal output for 2011-2012 exceeds Backstrom's for the past TWO seasons.

Right now, it's pretty obvious who is making the larger contribution.

Backstrom's offensive output seems to correlate with Ovechkin's. I'm sure you'd call that a coincidence.

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So why was he voted an All-Star starter? Do you see the point i'm trying to make here?
So what you're equating is "player skill and talent" with All-Star votes?

Is that the kind of rocket science argument you are putting forth here?

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The double standards on this forum are ridiculous.
What's ridiculous is you putting forth a fan-based survey as somehow indicative of a player's quality.

Michalek is a borderline 1st liner but more of a 2nd liner. His career production shows that. His skill set demonstrates that.

BUT, he was selected to the All-Star team in a year where it was hosted in Ottawa? STOP THE PRESSES!

You may want to look up a certain All-Star game that took place in Montreal and have a look at the all-star starters for that year as well.

Ridiculous is the credibility of the evidence that you are trying to put forward with your all-star game votes.


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09-04-2012, 12:25 PM
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One very good regular season doesnt mean hes going to repeat, believe it or not.

2 seasons ago Backstrom wouldve been 10 spots ahead of Spezza.
One very good season??

Add on the 3 very good seasons playing along prime time Alfie and Heatley and you may have an argument...

At the moment, you're completely invalid.

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Spezza's goal output for 2011-2012 exceeds Backstrom's for the past TWO seasons.

Right now, it's pretty obvious who is making the larger contribution.

Backstrom's offensive output seems to correlate with Ovechkin's. I'm sure you'd call that a coincidence.
Well... when Backstrom is out for more than half the season with a concussion... And how does him being on a PPG pace while Ovechkin has a career low in points correlate with each other? The whole Caps team has been in an offensive slump these past two years, with the awful switch to a defensive system by both Boudreau and Hunter. Yet, this season Backstrom is the only offensive player who shined... how does he do that when Ovechkin is slumping!?!? Blasphemy!

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So what you're equating is "player skill and talent" with All-Star votes?

Is that the kind of rocket science argument you are putting forth here?

What's ridiculous is you putting forth a fan-based survey as somehow indicative of a player's quality.
And this is where you completely miss my point. Who voted Michalek into the All-Star game? Sens fans. So that must mean, hey, they think he's a good offensive player? I'd even go on to say they consider him elite, i mean... they voted him to be a starting all-star! But then when the topic is on Spezza, cough, this poll, he gets thrown under the bus! Because as long as it benefits whichever Sens player the topic is on, it doesn't matter! When there were big Karlsson debates on this board, Norris-related, so so so many Sens fans credited him with "carrying the Sens offense." But then when the topic is back on Spezza...! Well, you know the rest.

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09-04-2012, 12:28 PM
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One very good season??

Add on the 3 very good seasons playing along prime time Alfie and Heatley and you may have an argument...

At the moment, you're completely invalid.
Why don't I just steal others argument on Backstrom and say Spezza leeched off of Alfie and Heatley! And then this season, Norris-winning "offense carrying" Erik Karlsson!

This goes both ways.

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Well... when Backstrom is out for more than half the season with a concussion... And how is him being on a PPG pace while Ovechkin has a career low in points correlate with each other? The whole Caps team has been in an offensive slump these past two years, with the awful switch to a defensive system by both Boudreau and Hunter. Yet, this season Backstrom is the only offensive player who shone... how does he do that when Ovechkin is slumping!?!? Blasphemy!
Backstrom hasn't cracked 65 points in 2 seasons. That's a fact.

Sure, he got 44 points in 42 games, but it's a lot harder to show PPG consistency over a full season.

The knock against Spezza was his durability and consistency. It kept him from the ranks of the elite forwards for much of his career.

But Backstrom is somehow exempt from this?

Now you have a Spezza who is in the top 5 in overall scoring, and this with COLIN GREENING and MILAN MICHALEK on his line.

Right now, it's no contest.

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And this is where you completely miss my point. Who voted Michalek into the All-Star game? Sens fans. So that must mean, hey, they think he's a good offensive player? I'd even go on to say they consider him elite, i mean... they voted him to be a starting all-star!
Actually, we were trying to keep Kessel out of the starting line-up.

But nice try, chief.

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But then when the topic is on Spezza, cough, this poll, he gets thrown under the bus! Because as long as it benefits whichever Sens player the topic is on, it doesn't matter! When there were big Karlsson debates on this board, Norris-related, so so so many Sens fans credited him with "carrying the Sens offense." But then when the topic is back on Spezza...! Well, you know the rest.
The correct answer is that both players played herculean roles in trying to get this mediocre team into the playoffs.

Those who are actually paid to watch the games, the hockey writers, were aware of this which is why both players were among the top Hart trophy candidates.


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09-04-2012, 12:34 PM
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You mean the Milan Michalek who was voted an All-Star starter? Hmm, yeah, must've slipped my mind.
Nice one, I think you really stung him there. Now cap it off with a list of "comparable" players from each team with ">>>" between them and you can really bring it home.

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Why don't I just steal others argument on Backstrom and say Spezza leeched off of Alfie and Heatley! And then this season, Norris-winning "offense carrying" Erik Karlsson!

This goes both ways.
What's great about Spezza is that now we're seeing what he can do post-Pizza line.

And the answer is 4th in NHL scoring.

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That's cute, although completely unoriginal and expected. The "you only look at the stats" insult. Which always comes up, despite the fact that none of us knows how much hockey others watch. "Because Backstrom is the better player." Well done, point proven. How do I change my vote?
this entire post is correct

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One very good regular season doesnt mean hes going to repeat, believe it or not.

2 seasons ago Backstrom wouldve been 10 spots ahead of Spezza.
hahahahhahahaha!!!! how about 90 points in 68 games??? or 87 points in in 67 games??? 92 points in 76 games??

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Voted Spezza. He's got 90+ point talent, and has come a long way in his defensive game. Still makes a few too many blind passes/drop passes, but he's legitimately one of the best ten centers in the game, IMO.

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Voted Spezza. He's got 90+ point talent, and has come a long way in his defensive game. Still makes a few too many blind passes/drop passes, but he's legitimately one of the best ten centers in the game, IMO.
The improvement in his blind/drop passes is that he doesn't attempt them in the defensive/neutral zones anymore.

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Jason Spezza.

Seriously, I love Backstrom, but am I the only one who feels that Spezza is the only remaining center that you wouldn't want an upgrade. I mean... if my team had Backstrom... I'd salivate at the possibility of Ovechkin playing with better centers. Eh.

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Quick question for all you HFboard experts: How is Jason Spezza, who just finished 4th OVERALL in scoring and 6th OVERALL in hart votes, not considered a top ten CENTRE going in to next season?
He has a goofy laugh. Duh.

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Backstrom, because he is younger.

Younger always means the player is better.

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