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#10 Center in the NHL for the 12/13 season is?

View Poll Results: HFBoards Top 30 Centers - #10
Jason Spezza 78 36.28%
Henrik Zetterberg 11 5.12%
Nicklas Backstrom 70 32.56%
Ryan Getzlaf 7 3.26%
Eric Staal 8 3.72%
Joe Thornton 16 7.44%
Mikko Koivu 0 0%
Patrice Bergeron 3 1.40%
Jamie Benn 5 2.33%
David Backes 1 0.47%
Brad Richards 3 1.40%
Ryan Kesler 0 0%
Jordan Staal 0 0%
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 6 2.79%
Logan Couture 0 0%
Tyler Seguin 2 0.93%
Vincent Lecavalier 0 0%
Paul Stastny 1 0.47%
David Krejci 1 0.47%
Mike Richards 3 1.40%
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09-04-2012, 06:16 PM
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Laughable that Tavares and Kopitar are up there over Spezza, moreso Tavares.

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09-04-2012, 06:24 PM
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09-04-2012, 06:25 PM
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Backstrom before Spezza.. Just as good offensively and a lot better defensively.

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Laughable that Tavares and Kopitar are up there over Spezza, moreso Tavares.
Tavares is clearly better than Spezza IMO. Kopitar is debatable but i'd take kopitar personally.

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09-04-2012, 06:28 PM
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Now, this raises two interesting points. First of all, you mention that Michalek is a 2nd liner, and that it's a testament to Spezza that he scored 35 last year. This raises the question - what about Milan's previous two seasons? You know, the ones in which he scored 34 and 33 points, despite playing with Spezza? Makes think maybe Spezza wasn't the spark behind the 35, maybe it had more to do with Milan shooting nearly 4% over his career average, and Erik Karlsson's (Milan's second most common teammate, behind Spezza) playmaking ability? Hell, maybe those were the sparks that propelled Spezza to get back to point per game form for the first time since 07-08, when Heatley and Alfie both potted 40?
This is an interesting point, particularly as you had earlier brought up the Caps' "defensive scheme" of the past two years.

How do you think the Senators attempted to play under Clouston and Hartsburg? Maybe that might help explain the discrepancy you are pointing out.

Karlsson was around last season, and the one before.

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Meanwhile, Backstrom proved this season that he can still be a PPG player without elite teammates. Ovechkin was actually worse before the Backstrom concussion than after. Before scoring 5 goals in the 3 games before Backstrom's concussion (the start of him returning to his former self, as he was on pace for 49 goals from that point on), he'd been on a 28 goal pace and was shooting just 9%, 3% below his career average. During that first half of the season, Mike Green was out for all but 7 games too. The Caps were desperate for offense in the first half of that season, and Backstrom was really the only player providing it.

So the way I see it, Backstrom was the one who proved he can produce on his own.
So Backstrom's elite linemate produced better after Backstrom was injured?

Interesting.


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09-04-2012, 06:35 PM
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Laughable that Tavares and Kopitar are up there over Spezza, moreso Tavares.
Not really.

Backstrom.

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09-04-2012, 06:48 PM
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Hey, could we swap Tyler Seguin for somebody else.

I mean... if there's three centers from the same team in the poll, they'll probably suffer from it.

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09-04-2012, 06:52 PM
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Hey, could we swap Tyler Seguin for somebody else.

I mean... if there's three centers from the same team in the poll, they'll probably suffer from it.
I'll trade you Spezza for Bergeron, Krejci and Seguin.

AND

I'll even take on the additional burden of having to witness my team's centres not given their proper recognition in an HFBoards poll while I watch highlights from my team's recent Stanley Cup championship on the television.

Meanwhile, you'll get that decisively #1 centre that you want for HF poll purposes.

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09-04-2012, 06:55 PM
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spezza, then Jumbo, then bakstrom/staal/getzlaf group (though kopitar should probably have been in that group)

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09-04-2012, 07:11 PM
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This is an interesting point, particularly as you had earlier brought up the Caps' "defensive scheme" of the past two years.

How do you think the Senators attempted to play under Clouston and Hartsburg? Maybe that might help explain the discrepancy you are pointing out.

Karlsson was around last season, and the one before.
So Spezza in a defensive system = three years of sub PPG play, while Backstrom in a defensive system = one year of sub PPG play, then a readjustment back to PPG play.

And we all know what a big step Karlsson took this season.

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So Backstrom's elite linemate produced better after Backstrom was injured?

Interesting.
Ovechkin's shooting percentage in his first 35 games: 9.1%
Ovechkin's shooting percentage in his last 43 games: 15.3%

He was cold, then he was hot. Simple as that. Shooting percentage has nothing to do with teammates.

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09-04-2012, 07:14 PM
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I'll trade you Spezza for Bergeron, Krejci and Seguin.

AND

I'll even take on the additional burden of having to witness my team's centres not given their proper recognition in an HFBoards poll while I watch highlights from my team's recent Stanley Cup championship on the television.

Meanwhile, you'll get that decisively #1 centre that you want for HF poll purposes.

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09-04-2012, 07:22 PM
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So Spezza in a defensive system = three years of sub PPG play, while Backstrom in a defensive system = one year of sub PPG play, then a readjustment back to PPG play.

And we all know what a big step Karlsson took this season.
Ah, it's so cut and dried, is it?

Spezza was flirting around the PPG mark. 57 points in 60 games, and then in 62 games.

Meanwhile, Backstrom put up 65 points in 77 games and a measly 18 goals.

Spezza, despite all of the time he missed, and regardless of what defensive scheme is employed, has scored 19 or more goals for 10 straight seasons, including 30+ goals 5 times.

In 5 straight seasons, Backstom has topped 30 goals one time, and 20 goals in another season.

I'll take the guy who puts up the goals much more consistently.

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Ovechkin's shooting percentage in his first 35 games: 9.1%
Ovechkin's shooting percentage in his last 43 games: 15.3%

He was cold, then he was hot. Simple as that. Shooting percentage has nothing to do with teammates.
Backstrom's inconsistent goal scoring ability makes him comparatively reliant on the abilities of his teammates.

Spezza can manufacture goals by scoring them himself when required and is a much more well-rounded offensive catalyst.

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Hey, could we swap Tyler Seguin for somebody else.

I mean... if there's three centers from the same team in the poll, they'll probably suffer from it.
Seguin isn't even a centre anyway

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09-04-2012, 07:54 PM
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Ah, it's so cut and dried, is it?

Spezza was flirting around the PPG mark. 57 points in 60 games, and then in 62 games.

Meanwhile, Backstrom put up 65 points in 77 games and a measly 18 goals.

Spezza, despite all of the time he missed, and regardless of what defensive scheme is employed, has scored 19 or more goals for 10 straight seasons, including 30+ goals 5 times.

In 5 straight seasons, Backstom has topped 30 goals one time, and 20 goals in another season.

I'll take the guy who puts up the goals much more consistently.

Backstrom's inconsistent goal scoring ability makes him comparatively reliant on the abilities of his teammates.

Spezza can manufacture goals by scoring them himself when required and is a much more well-rounded offensive catalyst.
Ok, this'll be my last post on this subject.

Spezza's career stats, prorated over an 82 game season: 31-53-84
Backstrom's career stats, prorated over an 82 game season: 23-60-83

Spezza's a slightly better goal scorer, and Backstrom's a slightly better playmaker. The difference, in my mind, is that Backstrom is the better two way player. If you don't think the playmaking and two way play make up for Spezza's advantage in goal scoring, that's fine. I guess for each of our teams, the center we've got fits our needs better.

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I'm just having a little fun.

They're both really good centres and it's a close call, which is reflected in the poll numbers.

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Ok, this'll be my last post on this subject.

Spezza's career stats, prorated over an 82 game season: 31-53-84
Backstrom's career stats, prorated over an 82 game season: 23-60-83

Spezza's a slightly better goal scorer, and Backstrom's a slightly better playmaker. The difference, in my mind, is that Backstrom is the better two way player. If you don't think the playmaking and two way play make up for Spezza's advantage in goal scoring, that's fine. I guess for each of our teams, the center we've got fits our needs better.
Lets not forget that at the beginning of Spezza's NHL career, he was playing 4th line minutes with 4th line players

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Excited to see Eric Staal with a great sniper on his wing and a 2nd line to help take off some of the heat. Been good for 70 points every year of his career. Very impressive. Don't know if he's necessarily better than Backstrom or Spezza but he's definitely in the mix. He got my vote.

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Zoidberg Jesus, you my friend have proven to not be bias with your opinion while presenting valid inform. I actually enjoyed reading your posts even though I am a huge Spezza fan. You almost swayed me to voting for Backstrom but I couldn't vote against Spezza.

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Backstrom, and Spezza next.

No need to have a ****-fest over this really. Both are great players.

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Laughable that Tavares and Kopitar are up there over Spezza, moreso Tavares.
lol @ Spezza. You're in the wrong poll.

One dimensional soft C's poll will be in another thread. We'll let all the Spezza/Backstrom/H. Sedin's fans know when the thread becomes available

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One good season and Giroux is better than Backstrom, Sedin, and Datsyuk

Backstrom should be top 5

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Backstrom should be top 5

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lol @ Spezza. You're in the wrong poll.

One dimensional soft C's poll will be in another thread. We'll let all the Spezza/Backstrom/H. Sedin's fans know when the thread becomes available
Don't sugarcoat it, why not tell us what you really think?

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One good season and Giroux is better than Backstrom, Sedin, and Datsyuk

Backstrom should be top 5
Backstrom doesn't get much love on this site, moreso now because of the concussion. Hopefully he and Ovie will flourish again under Oates.

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