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11-04-2012, 07:16 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks RGIII won't have a very long career? He is constantly putting himself in situations where he is getting hammered by defenders. Yeah, part of that is what makes him great I suppose... but man, he is just always getting rocked it seems.
I was thinking the same thing. He is taking more hard, clean (not to mention borderline or dirty) hits than any rookie QB that I've ever seen. The helicopter shot he took earlier today was crazy. I like him a lot but all those hits can't be healthy.

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11-04-2012, 07:19 PM
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RGIII just needs to look at Cunningham as example of why he needs to curtail some of the runs/hits he takes

He struggled to stay healthy in early 90's due to all the abuse he took early on in his career cause he was running so much

Honestly i view RGIII as comparable to Cunningham

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11-04-2012, 07:22 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. He is taking more hard, clean (not to mention borderline or dirty) hits than any rookie QB that I've ever seen. The helicopter shot he took earlier today was crazy. I like him a lot but all those hits can't be healthy.
Not only that, but a lot of the hits are just unnecessary to absorb.

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RGIII just needs to look at Cunningham as example of why he needs to curtail some of the runs/hits he takes

He struggled to stay healthy in early 90's due to all the abuse he took early on in his career cause he was running so much

Honestly i view RGIII as comparable to Cunningham

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It's a lot easier to say that than actually do it. The guy has been playing with that style his whole life. It's kind of like how some non-sliding QBs try to learn how to slide, but for whatever reason just can't do it in the middle of a game.

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11-04-2012, 07:24 PM
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Not only that, but a lot of the hits are just unnecessary to absorb.



It's a lot easier to say that than actually do it. The guy has been playing with that style his whole life. It's kind of like how some non-sliding QBs try to learn how to slide, but for whatever reason just can't do it in the middle of a game.
RGIII has played this style but he still takes hits that he has no reason to take

Pretty easy to curtail that. Steve Young is good example of a mobile QB who altered his game when on run successfully

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11-04-2012, 07:26 PM
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RGIII has played this style but he still takes hits that he has no reason to take

Pretty easy to curtail that. Steve Young is good example of a mobile QB who altered his game when on run successfully
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it could definitely be an issue. Not to mention, he hasn't done anything to date to suggest he might change that style... so for now, I'm going to say his career will be very brief until I see him change that style.

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11-06-2012, 01:43 AM
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Shameless plug but I'm pretty happy with the picks I made for our annual mock draft. Made the trade for RGIII then took Bobby Wagner, second for tackles among rookies (5 behind Kuechly), TY Hilton having an impressive year I find and Bernard Pierce who's making some good runs for Baltimore.

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11-06-2012, 05:58 AM
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RGIII has played this style but he still takes hits that he has no reason to take

Pretty easy to curtail that. Steve Young is good example of a mobile QB who altered his game when on run successfully
Young was able to alter his game because he had developed as a passer to the point where he was rarely actually asked to run. By their third year together (1994), Mike Shanahan would rarely call plays that involved Young running the ball unless the 49ers were on the goal line. Young obviously would still run when the pocket broke down and nobody was open, but he was rarely given designed run plays unless the 49ers were at the opponents' 1-yard line. In Shanahan's 3 years with the 49ers, Young won 2 MVP's and the offense led the NFL in points and yards each year, Young's rush attempts/yards progressively went down. Shanahan obviously is in a slightly different situation with RG3, who is simply not developed enough as a passer to be given the whole plate of passing plays, per say, and who is so dynamic as a runner that you almost have to run him. The option is brutal, however. Shanahan should know better. Same goes with that failed trick pass. He said he ran it many times with Young and John Elway, but considering Young caught only one forward pass in his career (for 6 yards), I doubt he ran it all that often.

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11-06-2012, 06:34 PM
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anyone's aware of any website that keeps track of injury reports from previous seasons?

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11-07-2012, 05:30 PM
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Knox officially out for year (No surprise)

And Charles Tillman may miss the Bears-Texans game

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,5261226.story

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anyone's aware of any website that keeps track of injury reports from previous seasons?
http://www.forecaster.ca/demos/football/

Gotta do it player-by-player though, there's a movement & injuries section for each player.

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11-08-2012, 11:15 PM
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Browns brass puts Weeden on notice:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...medium=twitter

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Browns brass puts Weeden on notice:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...medium=twitter
Are you a Browns fan Marc?

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Nope.

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11-09-2012, 06:19 PM
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Fair enough. For some reason I remember a fellow Montrealer being a Browns fan. Thought maybe it was you since you were posting the news.

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11-09-2012, 06:32 PM
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So as expected Weeden is playing for his future in Cleveland (And possibly in NFL as a #1)

Not a good spot for the ki,,,,,, Old man to be in

Only positive for him a this point is FA looks weak at QB and this years draft isn't one with QB's that are sure things

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11-13-2012, 04:36 PM
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Falcons cut free agent bust Ray Edwards.

Jets cut draft bust Aaron Maybin.

Not surprised about either one of those moves.

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11-13-2012, 07:03 PM
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Falcons cut free agent bust Ray Edwards.

Jets cut draft bust Aaron Maybin.

Not surprised about either one of those moves.
Maybin showed some life last year but it appears it was just a mirage ,,, Career is over IMO

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11-14-2012, 05:32 PM
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Tim Dobbins fined 30k for helmet to helmet late hit on Cutler

Felt it deserved a suspension IMO

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Tim Dobbins fined 30k for helmet to helmet late hit on Cutler

Felt it deserved a suspension IMO
30k is fine.

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Tim Dobbins fined 30k for helmet to helmet late hit on Cutler

Felt it deserved a suspension IMO
Didn't Cutler cross the line of scrimmage before he got crushed? At that point he really wasn't even a QB anymore so the same rules shouldn't apply.

But he did launch himself at Cutler and hit him in the head so maybe you give him 15K. I think 30K is too much and he definitely shouldn't be suspended.

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Didn't Cutler cross the line of scrimmage before he got crushed? At that point he really wasn't even a QB anymore so the same rules shouldn't apply.

But he did launch himself at Cutler and hit him in the head so maybe you give him 15K. I think 30K is too much and he definitely shouldn't be suspended.
He was also hit late and that would fall under defenseless player rule (As he didn't even have ball).. As for the line of scrimmage part ,, He was not over but the refs blundered

So a supsension no matter what should have happened

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Didn't Cutler cross the line of scrimmage before he got crushed? At that point he really wasn't even a QB anymore so the same rules shouldn't apply.

But he did launch himself at Cutler and hit him in the head so maybe you give him 15K. I think 30K is too much and he definitely shouldn't be suspended.
I agree with you but he did hit him with his helmet so I'm fine with 30k. A suspension would have been overkill..this is still football and it is a collision sport and hits like this will happen.

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Tim Dobbins fined 30k for helmet to helmet late hit on Cutler

Felt it deserved a suspension IMO
That wasn't a late hit on Cutler at all. I watched the replay.

Cutler was around, if not over the line of scrimmage. He had pumped fake a little earlier. How was Dobbins suppose to know that Cutler wasn't going to take off running? I can't tell if it was a helmet to helmet hit but it was close, so I'll give you that.

But it wasn't A) late or B) that much different from a football play.

It's hard to tell if Cutler was indeed over the line of scrimmage (and if he was, then he should be like any other player trying to gain yards) but the fine is warranted. A suspension would have been warranted.

BTW wouldn't be a discussion IF the Bears had an offensive line to protect Cutler. Knew he would get injured, maybe a concussion this season given how many times he has been sacked.

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That wasn't a late hit on Cutler at all. I watched the replay.

Cutler was around, if not over the line of scrimmage. He had pumped fake a little earlier. How was Dobbins suppose to know that Cutler wasn't going to take off running? I can't tell if it was a helmet to helmet hit but it was close, so I'll give you that.

But it wasn't A) late or B) that much different from a football play.

It's hard to tell if Cutler was indeed over the line of scrimmage (and if he was, then he should be like any other player trying to gain yards) but the fine is warranted. A suspension would have been warranted.

BTW wouldn't be a discussion IF the Bears had an offensive line to protect Cutler. Knew he would get injured, maybe a concussion this season given how many times he has been sacked.
Helmet to Helmet to defenseless player is against rules no matter what

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Helmet to Helmet to defenseless player is against rules no matter what
And it happens. Which is why I'm fine with the 30K fine. They need to watch where they are tackling but again it doesn't discount that Dobbins made the right decision in tackling Cutler. Just where he tackled Cutler.

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