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09-06-2012, 06:24 PM
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The NHL and NHLPA are also ready to restart CBA negotiations, possibly as soon as tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/st...50734527979521

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None of the top executives involved in the NHL's collective bargaining negotiations will continue to be paid if the league enacts a lockout next week.

Donald Fehr, the executive director of the NHL Players' Association, says he stopped drawing a salary on July 1 and a source told The Canadian Press that commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly plan to follow suit if a new agreement can't be reached by Sept. 15.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...168816546.html

That's why the CBA discussions are resuming

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09-06-2012, 06:31 PM
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Fehr spoke to Kevin Allen today

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Fehr said there are informal discussions going on with regard to when the next negotiations will be held, and what form they will take.
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Even if the NHL announces a lockout on Sept. 15, the start of the season isn't until Oct. 11. Although a lockout would keep players out of training camp, it doesn't mean the season couldn't start on time. Given that players stay in shape even in the offseason, they don't need a month to get ready. In theory, the two sides could agree to a new contract close to the end of September and still start on time.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...nse/57647362/1

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On the likelihood of NHL training camps opening as scheduled Sept. 21, Bill Daly says: "I think it's becoming unlikely."
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/st...53315060944896

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09-06-2012, 06:53 PM
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NHL's Bill Daly says: "Trying to get meeting scheduled by end of the week. Nothing confirmed yet." NHL CBA expires Sept 15
https://twitter.com/SBJLizMullen/sta...57365298991104

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possibility NHL and PA might meet tomorrow. not confirmed yet.
https://twitter.com/helenenothelen/s...58746747523072

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09-06-2012, 08:09 PM
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Can confirm #NHL and #NHLPA holding 'informal talks' tomorrow in New York.

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It will be the brothers Fehr and Daly and Bettman in the 'informal talks' Friday ... #NHL #NHLPA

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Can confirm #NHL and #NHLPA holding 'informal talks' tomorrow in New York.

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It will be the brothers Fehr and Daly and Bettman in the 'informal talks' Friday ... #NHL #NHLPA
Hmm... another 4 party talk.

Anyone else think they're actually playing marathon games of Goldeneye instead of negotiating?

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09-07-2012, 07:48 AM
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That is exactly the management power they "gave" in the last CBA--players had the ability to prevent the league from going ahead with realignment. And, since the players didn't like their proposal--which I thought was unfair (uneven conferences) and bad for rivalaries (the Rangers would see teams outside their division once a year at the Garden--increasing games with Western teams, while decreasing games with rivals like Boston, Montreal, Toronto, and Buffalo), now they want it back.
That is what they cling to as "giving up" management powers? A CBA works like that. You cannot unilaterally rule. That went out with Charles Comiskey.

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Hmm... another 4 party talk.

Anyone else think they're actually playing marathon games of Goldeneye instead of negotiating?
i was thinking something more like:

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09-07-2012, 09:18 AM
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Sent: Sep 7, 2012 10:13a

#CBA NHLPA contingent has arrived for informal meeting at NHL offices. Both Fehr brothers along with players Ron Hainsey and Zenon Konopka

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The reason is for the meeting is both sides want to see where things stand. Where things stand? CBA expires next Saturday. They are meeting to determine that?


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@RenLavoieRDS: Informal discussions between the NHL and NHLPA started 15 minutes ago.

Tweeted at 10:33 AM.

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Bettman is waiting for the PA to flinch. He's pathetic. Guy acts insulted, claims the league is losing money, cries to the cameras it's just sad. He's pulling the strings and sinking the ship he just doesn't want to take any heat for it. Talks should have never stopped but the league got pissy because the players were attempting to address some issues? Oh boo hoo they are negotiating during a negotiation! Pull up your skirts.

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Where we stand (kinda) now cap wise....

Using last years cap roof and us resigning MDZ for a caphit of $2,5 M - here is where we would stand today with a 20 man roster (+ 2 players on LTIR):

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Carl Hagelin ($0.875m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m)
Micheal Haley ($0.600m) / Jeff Halpern ($0.700m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
Michael Del Zotto ($2.500m) / Stu Bickel ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)

LTIR
Michael Sauer ($1.250m)
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)

BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL: $61,008,334
DEFERRABLE (?) BONUSES: $1,250,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $3,291,666
LTIR (2 players): $8,750,000

A couple of vital points:
  • Will there be a salary rollback (of sorts) or rollback of escrow money lowering players caphits?
  • Will there be a new rule forbidding burying of contracts in the minors (add Redden then... oh boy)?
  • Will there be a new rule regarding RFA status (might make a difference for MDZ:s contract this year and our 4 key homegrown players next year...)?
  • Will bonuses still be deferable?
  • Will there be amnesty buyouts?
  • Will there be a new system of buying extra cap space (not likely)?
  • Will the cap actually go down from last years level of $64,3 M (IN ABSOLUTE TERMS after rollbacks aso...)?

I still think we are in very good shape compared to about 2/3 of the league capwise. And our roster looks very good as is to be honest, albeit a bit thin when Gabby and Sauer are out...

Thoughts?

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@ChrisBottaNHL: NHL meeting is over. Could continue today, maybe tomorrow.

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There will definitely be a lockout...its just a matter of how long it will last. Im hoping we have hockey by christmas, the only present I want.

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There will definitely be a lockout...its just a matter of how long it will last. Im hoping we have hockey by christmas, the only present I want.
considering that NYT article revealed that the league doesn't lose that much money for backing out of the Winter Classic, I don't think we'll have hockey by christmas.

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09-07-2012, 01:32 PM
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The NHL and the NHLPA will meet again this afternoon at 5:30 pm. Not much progress to report today.
https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/stat...40408274313216

Both sides didn't leak anything about the meeting today. Unless they leak,nobody will know anything.

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League and PA say little after today's session. Often an initial sign of progress. Less interest in using media as strategy.
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If they lose another season I'm done. I can say that right now.

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If they lose another season I'm done. I can say that right now.
Yea ok. Somehow I find that hard to believe.

When you put in so much love for a sports team, like I have for my favorite teams, you're honestly telling me you can just walk away. I highly doubt that.

I don't understand this whole mentality (not just you specifically) that it's this boo-hoo attitude. In any business where you have management and a union there are negotiations. They both want to do what's best for not only themselves but the league as well. They have differing opinions on how to do it.

Does it suck I won't get to see my Rangers start on time? Absolutely, it kills me. But I also understand that it's a business and you have millionaires fighting to make more money. Let them get the deal done and just relax with the "I'm done with this" talk. Because the fact of the matter is 60% of hockey fans might say "I'm done" blah blah blah, but when the season starts up they'll be right there in the front row again. At worse they don't come back for a couple of weeks.

They lose a couple fair weather fans, big deal, but the diehards would not give up on the sport because of a business aspect.

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Players and League will meet again late this afternoon. Progress? Don't count on it. Hope? As long as they meet, there's always hope.
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I can't walk away. That's where they have me...and they know it (owners & players)....and it pisses me off no end.

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Yea ok. Somehow I find that hard to believe.

When you put in so much love for a sports team, like I have for my favorite teams, you're honestly telling me you can just walk away. I highly doubt that.

I don't understand this whole mentality (not just you specifically) that it's this boo-hoo attitude. In any business where you have management and a union there are negotiations. They both want to do what's best for not only themselves but the league as well. They have differing opinions on how to do it.

Does it suck I won't get to see my Rangers start on time? Absolutely, it kills me. But I also understand that it's a business and you have millionaires fighting to make more money. Let them get the deal done and just relax with the "I'm done with this" talk. Because the fact of the matter is 60% of hockey fans might say "I'm done" blah blah blah, but when the season starts up they'll be right there in the front row again. At worse they don't come back for a couple of weeks.

They lose a couple fair weather fans, big deal, but the diehards would not give up on the sport because of a business aspect.
I can't speak for everyone, but if they lose another year I stand by my statement. A few weeks, hell even half a season I can accept as being part of a normal labor negotiation. But two full seasons lost in less than a decade is just not acceptable in any way to me.

The Rangers are by far my number 1 interest right now, and have been for years. But if the league can't get its act together I am more than ok with finding new hobbies and passions. I'm not saying I will never watch another game or check the standings occasionally, but I will not shell out for tickets or merchandise, I will stop purchasing Center Ice to DVR every game, and I will stop visiting HF daily.

If we start at the WC or sooner I can get over it, begrudgingly. If the year is lost, I am too. Just my 2 cents.

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They can cancel 5 successive seasons, and I'd watch as soon as they returned. I just love the sport too much, with football being a distant second.

I stopped going to games regularly and buying merchandise long ago, however.

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They can cancel 5 successive seasons, and I'd watch as soon as they returned. I just love the sport too much, with football being a distant second.

I stopped going to games regularly and buying merchandise long ago, however.
other than the football thing (its probably baseball for me, but even thats fallen by the wayside)

to me its hockey, hockey, and more hockey. no nhl? ill watch AHL...no ahl? ill watch ohl....no ohl? ill watch some other CHL...no chl? ill go to the local rink and watch some beer league teams play.

they get my money from NHL center ice...but thats it. they took the thrashers from here so i dont go to games anymore. i never buy stuff for the most part with rangers logos on it.

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They can cancel 5 successive seasons, and I'd watch as soon as they returned. I just love the sport too much, with football being a distant second.

I stopped going to games regularly and buying merchandise long ago, however.
if most fans did that, they'd think twice before doing that type of shiznit.

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