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Good to know.


Also, I'm constantly thinking that Nathan Drake is the main character of this game and not Joel.

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Would you say it was a bad year when Gamespot (or other sites, I think) had Demon's Souls as their GOTY? The gameplay was simple, yet very refined. Story really wasn't there that much. But it did a ton of little things right. Hell, it went up against Uncharted 2, which I still think is an absolutely amazing game.
I think Demon's Soul gameplay was far more impressive than Bioshock's

Again I don't want people to think I hated Bioshock, I had a blast, bought it day one and yadiyada. It's just that gameplay wise I found it to be unremarkable like most games (Tomb Raider 2013 is another one: great game but nothing special from a gameplay perspective); I think GotY need to have exceptional gameplay.

Demon's Soul had it, Infinite doesn't (in my mind): both games are great and easy to recommend however.

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I think Demon's Soul gameplay was far more impressive than Bioshock's

Again I don't want people to think I hated Bioshock, I had a blast, bought it day one and yadiyada. It's just that gameplay wise I found it to be unremarkable like most games (Tomb Raider 2013 is another one: great game but nothing special from a gameplay perspective);I think GotY need to have exceptional gameplay.

Demon's Soul had it, Infinite doesn't (in my mind): both games are great and easy to recommend however.
I don't but then again story is what's most important to me in games. I understand people that are more into mechanics than story or atmosphere or world building. That's why we have people like TB, who I respect, that dislike games like Bioshock, Skyrim etc. where there is a slim focus on combat and the combat is weak.

On the subject of "game of the year" I think you'd be hard pressed to find a worse year than last year. I was skimming down a list of 'game of the year' for 2012 and man is that sad. Journey, Ex-Com, Persona 4, Dishonored... yikes. None of those games are better games than a Bioshock:Infinite, IMO.... and i've played all except Persona, which i've watched gameplay of.

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I don't but then again story is what's most important to me in games. I understand people that are more into mechanics than story or atmosphere or world building. That's why we have people like TB, who I respect, that dislike games like Bioshock, Skyrim etc. where there is a slim focus on combat and the combat is weak.

On the subject of "game of the year" I think you'd be hard pressed to find a worse year than last year. I was skimming down a list of 'game of the year' for 2012 and man is that sad. Journey, Ex-Com, Persona 4, Dishonored... yikes. None of those games are better games than a Bioshock:Infinite, IMO.... and i've played all except Persona, which i've watched gameplay of.
Journey I still feel like it deserved to be GOTY. The story, the emotion, the music, the art style and everything, made it something you can never forget.

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Journey I still feel like it deserved to be GOTY. The story, the emotion, the music, the art style and everything, made it something you can never forget.
I don't disagree, but it's still not a Bioshock: Infinite...

or looking back a Skyrim, a Mass Effect 2, a Portal 2 etc.

Also some places gave the Walking Dead game of the year last year... and that's even less of a game than Bioshock...

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I think people are understating a lot of games last year.

Dust
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XCOM not ex com further to the point you never even bothered to play it.
Fez
Far Cry 3
Mark of the Ninja

Infinite is a lot more than a game it explores many different things.
I don't think TWD even belongs on a list it was a throwaway experience for me and I wasn't moved at all. Not to mention the game was broken.

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Also, I'm constantly thinking that Nathan Drake is the main character of this game and not Joel.
I wish it was Nathan Drake.

Joel is gonna be one serious mofo - Drake would be cracking jokes despite the situation!

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A lot is being made of this game's ending. Curious to see what it's all about.

Maybe it's a child A.I. escorting them to another dimension...
They wake up and found out it was all a dream. Then the main guy goes to work and it ends.

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I think people are understating a lot of games last year.

Dust
Journey
XCOM not ex com further to the point you never even bothered to play it.
Fez
Far Cry 3
Mark of the Ninja

Infinite is a lot more than a game it explores many different things.
I don't think TWD even belongs on a list it was a throwaway experience for me and I wasn't moved at all. Not to mention the game was broken.
Whoops! Yes Xcom. And yes I did play it, i'm staring at my Steam library and I had 38 hours on it.

Dust and Fez I didn't play.

Far Cry 3 was brilliant until it completely lost steam half way through. The last 10 hours or so of FC3 were pretty boring for me.

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Whoops! Yes Xcom. And yes I did play it, i'm staring at my Steam library and I had 38 hours on it.

Dust and Fez I didn't play.

Far Cry 3 was brilliant until it completely lost steam half way through. The last 10 hours or so of FC3 were pretty boring for me.
Haha I feel the same way about Far Cry 3 but it also gave birth to blood dragon. I mainly just put FC3 because it was universally well received.

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Haha I feel the same way about Far Cry 3 but it also gave birth to blood dragon. I mainly just put FC3 because it was universally well received.
If they had figured out a way in the narrative to keep the last 10 hours at the same pace and interest level as the first 20 it would probably have been my favourite game last year... but ya not so much. Even if the main story had just ended after Vaas I might have liked it better frankly.

Nothing against FC3, great game and Blood Dragon is amazing... hrm... Ya tough to explain how I feel about FC3. Really good but missing something.

In Infinite for the last 30 minutes I probably went through 10 different emotional reactions at different points, and that's pretty rare for a video game.

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If they had figured out a way in the narrative to keep the last 10 hours at the same pace and interest level as the first 20 it would probably have been my favourite game last year... but ya not so much. Even if the main story had just ended after Vaas I might have liked it better frankly.

Nothing against FC3, great game and Blood Dragon is amazing... hrm... Ya tough to explain how I feel about FC3. Really good but missing something.

In Infinite for the last 30 minutes I probably went through 10 different emotional reactions at different points, and that's pretty rare for a video game.
I would of went back to FC3 but I spent so much time doing all the side quests and landing all the upgrades. Then I lost my save No way in hell I'm doing all that again.

Infinite is just a special game, at times I felt like I was in a Disney world then all of sudden it would be shattered into a million pieces. I haven't ever cared about a companion to the degree I did Elizabeth. You feel like you should be sheltering her from all these horrors but you see the world and her change before your eyes and it is dark.

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Ya... so to sum up i'm hoping from all these reviews that 'The Last of Us' has a story that lives up to the crazy hype

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Ya... so to sum up i'm hoping from all these reviews that 'The Last of Us' has a story that lives up to the crazy hype
Ditto, I'm just a little skeptical, it seems what "amazing storytelling" is classified as changes daily for half of these publications.

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It all comes down to the medium

A great story isn't something that defines what a game IS, gameplay does

A great story can be found in a game, in a book, in a movie, a TV show etc...

For a game to get GotY it needs to excel in what a game is defined by, and that for me is gameplay

A game with a great story but crappy gameplay isn't a good game: it's a bad game with a good story. Infinite is a great story in a good game, it doesn't make it an exceptional game which is what GotY should be.

I do value a great story though, don't get me wrong; the story is only one aspect of what makes a game a game however, gameplay is what makes the difference between a bad game with good story and a good game with a good story.

I guess it comes down to "my GotY" vs "universal GotY": I have no issues with someone telling me "I enjoyed Infinite more than any other game this year therefore it's my GotY"; but an "objective GotY" (or at least, as close as humanly possible) should have emphasis put on gameplay.

That being said I wouldn't say that a game with fantastic gameplay but horrible story is a lock for GotY: a GotY is a game that best balances all elements that make a game enjoyable; Story is a big part of it but I do think Gameplay is the most important factor.

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I don't but then again story is what's most important to me in games. I understand people that are more into mechanics than story or atmosphere or world building. That's why we have people like TB, who I respect, that dislike games like Bioshock, Skyrim etc. where there is a slim focus on combat and the combat is weak.

On the subject of "game of the year" I think you'd be hard pressed to find a worse year than last year. I was skimming down a list of 'game of the year' for 2012 and man is that sad. Journey, Ex-Com, Persona 4, Dishonored... yikes. None of those games are better games than a Bioshock:Infinite, IMO.... and i've played all except Persona, which i've watched gameplay of.
I didn't play a ton of games in 2012 since I spent a lot of it travelling

I would very easily put XCom above Infinite in my list; Infinite impressed me more with it's story and characters but XCom was just such a homerun (although I am biased since I used to play the original back in the day and loved it then too) at everything it did: you can make the game insanely hard, a ton of replay value, great customization etc...


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Some people see games for more than just a "game" they can be an artistic medium for the user to create their own story or be a part of one. As much as I agree that gameplay matters to downplay every other aspect of a video game is a disservice to the medium.

Take Earthbound for an example, limited gameplay but an amazing story. Then at the other hand you have a game like Persona 4 or Fire emblem who both have rather simplistic gameplay but the story is immersive and all encompassing.

The biggest feat from XCom wasn't the tactical strategy section. It was the pit you felt in your stomach when you lost a soldier and the anxiety that created before every battle.

I say that story is just as important as gameplay and neither should fall by the waist side.

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Some people see games for more than just a "game" they can be an artistic medium for the user to create their own story or be a part of one. As much as I agree that gameplay matters to downplay every other aspect of a video game is a disservice to the medium.

Take Earthbound for an example, limited gameplay but an amazing story. Then at the other hand you have a game like Persona 4 or Fire emblem who both have rather simplistic gameplay but the story is immersive and all encompassing.

The biggest feat from XCom wasn't the tactical strategy section. It was the pit you felt in your stomach when you lost a soldier and the anxiety that created before every battle.

I say that story is just as important as gameplay and neither should fall by the waist side.
Or the rage inducement when one of your soldiers was killed on a shot through 3 walls?

Xcom had problems in the game and the story was nothing fresh or new.

I don't put Xcom above Infinite, despite getting much more hours out of Xcom, just as I don't put Civ 5 or 4 above Infinite.

I guess it's just how one judges things. To your analogy CDN Guy I don't judge how good a book is mainly based on how good the writing is, I judge it based on the story and how well it conveys that story. I don't judge it on how strong the characters are (though that helps) and often the writing helps the story, certainly. But i've read lots of fairly poorly 'written' books in a literary sense that are still some of the best works i've ever read.

That's where I put Infinite. The gameplay is serviceable just as writing is service in a decent novel, but the story is so good for the genre that I have to rank it high (as did most reviewers).

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That's where I put Infinite. The gameplay is serviceable just as writing is service in a decent novel, but the story is so good for the genre that I have to rank it high (as did most reviewers).
I rank Infinite very high as well, one of the best and most memorable FPS of recent memory.

I was just taking exception to it being GotY material, I don't see it being good enough in terms of gameplay.

However I don't think anyone is an idiot or anything for thinking that it is, I just put emphasis on different things.

I guess it all comes down to semantics: if Infinite is your GotY then more power to you really!

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I rank Infinite very high as well, one of the best and most memorable FPS of recent memory.

I was just taking exception to it being GotY material, I don't see it being good enough in terms of gameplay.

However I don't think anyone is an idiot or anything for thinking that it is, I just put emphasis on different things.

I guess it all comes down to semantics: if Infinite is your GotY then more power to you really!
The real issue is that it's an FPS. Its a very limiting genre in general and I hope CoD falls from grace rather soon so we can see other types explored.

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This game got a 10/10 from IGN but I don't think it will be as good as Bioshock Infinite.

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This game got a 10/10 from IGN but I don't think it will be as good as Bioshock Infinite.
For you. It's going be better for a lot of people - especially casuals.

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This game got a 10/10 from IGN but I don't think it will be as good as Bioshock Infinite.
I wouldn't even bother looking at IGN anymore the only thing left there that's remotely relevant is Brian Altano and he doesn't review games. (Up@Noon can be funny though)

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I saw this reviewed on the latest issue of Finnish games mag Pelaaja. They gave it 8/10. Didn't read through it all, but they mentioned there were some graphical/AI glitches that cause severe irritation, like e.g. an enemy is stuck behind Ellie who won't move anywhere. "Enjoyable ride, though conflicting emotionally."

Seems Gamespot's review refers to these glitches/combat issues as well.

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