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09-05-2012, 11:47 PM
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Vancouver - San Jose

To San Jose: Roberto Luongo & Alex Edler (Canucks replace Edler's spot with Ballard)

To Vancouver: Patrick Marleau & Ryane Clowe

Both teams improve even though both teams trade away very good players who were expected to be core players. The skill levels of all four players are fairly equal and considerably above average but the two teams trade players from areas they have depth at their respective positions and receive players in areas that each of those teams need to bolster. San Jose especially as that team really needs help in goal and in the top four defense position.

If this trade went through, I would consider both the Sharks and the Canucks would jump well ahead of the Kings in both the regular season standings and cup finalist potential.

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09-05-2012, 11:48 PM
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To San Jose: Roberto Luongo & Alex Edler (Canucks replace Edler's spot with Ballard)

To Vancouver: Patrick Marleau & Ryane Clowe

Both teams improve even though both teams trade away very good players who were expected to be core players. The skill levels of all four players are fairly equal and considerably above average but the two teams trade players from areas they have depth at their respective positions and receive players in areas that each of those teams need to bolster. San Jose especially as that team really needs help in goal and in the top four defense position.

If this trade went through, I would consider both the Sharks and the Canucks would jump well ahead of the Kings in both the regular season standings and cup finalist potential.
I would, San Jose won't. Luongo to San Jose has been....well a non-starter.

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09-05-2012, 11:49 PM
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Yeah I don't see San Jose going with a Niemi-Luongo tandem. Niemi would have to be traded and I just don't see it happening.

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How bout Joe Pavelski and Dan Boyle instead. That actually solves our needs and is more realistic. SJ then flips Niemi for a Clarke Macarthur type.

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Both teams say wtf

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09-05-2012, 11:56 PM
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To San Jose: Roberto Luongo & Alex Edler (Canucks replace Edler's spot with Ballard)

To Vancouver: Patrick Marleau & Ryane Clowe

Both teams improve even though both teams trade away very good players who were expected to be core players. The skill levels of all four players are fairly equal and considerably above average but the two teams trade players from areas they have depth at their respective positions and receive players in areas that each of those teams need to bolster. San Jose especially as that team really needs help in goal and in the top four defense position.

If this trade went through, I would consider both the Sharks and the Canucks would jump well ahead of the Kings in both the regular season standings and cup finalist potential.
what use do the Canucks have for Marleau exactly when Kesler is back?? so we just gave up our best offensive d-man and a top 10 goalie to a team that may become a divisional rival in the next couple years the NHL re-aligns the divisions for a good power foward and a 2C we don't need?

Not to mention our 3rd pairing is now Alberts Tanev playing 10-15 minutes a game! Just terrible. Now if it was Luongo + Raymond for Niemi + Clowe, it would make more sense for the Canucks but with how HF values Luongo and Raymond, that wouldn't go over well. Plus I don't think it fills SJ's need. Don't they want more offense? so Why would improving goaltending while downgrading their wingers help them?

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09-06-2012, 12:08 AM
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This makes sense for neither team. SJ would never give up that much, and lose two key pieces of their offense and get none back, and the Canucks cannot afford to trade Edler at this point IMO

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Great top-6. Sign me up.

As mentioned numerous times, the Sharks do not want Luongo.

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09-06-2012, 12:24 AM
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No thanks from a Van POV. Don't want Marleau and not willing to trade away Edler unless we are getting a better LD in return.

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09-06-2012, 12:30 AM
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No thanks from a Van POV. Don't want Marleau and not willing to trade away Edler unless we are getting a better LD in return.
It could be a RD, so Garrison can play his natural position, but basically this, or an elite winger.

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09-06-2012, 12:31 AM
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Not losing Edler. Ugh.

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what use do the Canucks have for Marleau exactly when Kesler is back?? so we just gave up our best offensive d-man and a top 10 goalie to a team that may become a divisional rival in the next couple years the NHL re-aligns the divisions for a good power foward and a 2C we don't need?

Not to mention our 3rd pairing is now Alberts Tanev playing 10-15 minutes a game! Just terrible. Now if it was Luongo + Raymond for Niemi + Clowe, it would make more sense for the Canucks but with how HF values Luongo and Raymond, that wouldn't go over well. Plus I don't think it fills SJ's need. Don't they want more offense? so Why would improving goaltending while downgrading their wingers help them?
Luongo is by far a better, more consistant goalie than Niemi. If the Sharks had Luongo then Niemi could be traded to either the Leafs or the Blue Jackets.

With Kesler back:

D Sedin - H Sedin - Clowe
Burrows - Marleau - Kesler (Marleau is a better playmaker than Kesler)
Booth - Malhotra - Hansen
Higgins - Lapierre - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Garrison
Joslin - Tanev
Connauton

Schneider
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It could be a RD, so Garrison can play his natural position, but basically this, or an elite winger.
Marleau says hi?

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09-06-2012, 12:41 AM
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This is absolutely terrible for the Sharks. It makes zero sense for us to do this.

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Goaltending and Defense aren't problems for the Sharks. Depth scoring is our problem so we aren't trading 2 of our top 6 fowards for defenseman and goalies.

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I'll try to list reasons why the Sharks say no.

1) Doug Wilson has repeatedly stated he hates contracts like Luongo's, I highly doubt that the Sharks all of sudden would change their mind.

2) While Edler is a good player, the Sharks are fine on defenseman. Adding Edler while depleting the already fairly thin depth in the top 6 doesn't make the Sharks a much better team, even if they flip Niemi for a player like MacArthur.

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09-06-2012, 04:40 AM
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Only if we afterwards somehow clone the Sharks defence and the Vancouver forwards, making two meta-teams.

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Marleau says hi?
I forgot to mention young(Edler is only 26) as well.

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Lol Luongo must hold the record for most thread's created for in HF history.
Pretty sure Kaberle has an unbreakable record.

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How bout Joe Pavelski and Dan Boyle instead. That actually solves our needs and is more realistic. SJ then flips Niemi for a Clarke Macarthur type.

Some how you managed to make what was a steaming pile of a deal for SJ into something worse. Congratz.

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09-06-2012, 08:23 AM
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Do not want anything to do with Luongo, especially not at the cost of 1/3rd of our top-6 that we can't replace.

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yeah, this doesnt address either team's needs

canucks do need more proven scoring, yes, but taking away Edler's 50 points is pretty crippling, IMO (our D starts to look very mediocre w/o him.)

Luongo continues to get criminally underrated, but i can see sharks fans being fine w Niemi ... 69-40-15 with 12 shutouts and solid #s is nothing to sneeze at..
Also they are set on D with a top 4 of Burns-Boyle / Vlasic-Stuart and good young guys coming up. Both teams need more proven scoring ... IMO SJ just needs an upgrade on their bottom 6 ...anyway...

but needs not being met and overall weariness with Van proposals aside, let's not say there isn't good value in this proposal ...

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To San Jose: Roberto Luongo & Alex Edler (Canucks replace Edler's spot with Ballard)

To Vancouver: Patrick Marleau & Ryane Clowe

Both teams improve even though both teams trade away very good players who were expected to be core players. The skill levels of all four players are fairly equal and considerably above average but the two teams trade players from areas they have depth at their respective positions and receive players in areas that each of those teams need to bolster. San Jose especially as that team really needs help in goal and in the top four defense position.

If this trade went through, I would consider both the Sharks and the Canucks would jump well ahead of the Kings in both the regular season standings and cup finalist potential.
This is just not true at all, Vlasic-Burns Stuart-Boyle so I don't see any need for help there, you need to look into the sharks needs before just stating what we need.

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Luongo is by far a better, more consistant goalie than Niemi. If the Sharks had Luongo then Niemi could be traded to either the Leafs or the Blue Jackets.

With Kesler back:

D Sedin - H Sedin - Clowe
Burrows - Marleau - Kesler (Marleau is a better playmaker than Kesler)
Booth - Malhotra - Hansen
Higgins - Lapierre - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Garrison
Joslin - Tanev
Connauton

Schneider
Lack
terrible use of cap space. Probably doesn't even fit under the cap as we gain about 2M in cap hits and have almost 4M tied up in the press box. One of the worst 3rd pairings in the league is also a very very bad idea seeing how our goaltending duo is top 3 in least NHL experience along with Washington and Boston (assuming a Rask Khudobin duo)

Say we trade Lou to FLA for Goc Howden and a 1st.

We now have:

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Higgins
Raymond Malhotra Hansen
Goc Lapierre Weise

Edler Garrison
Hamhuis Bieksa
Ballard Tanev

Schneider
Lack

Probably won't get Doan so we can then try to pry Evander Kane from Winnipeg if he did infact demand a trade. 2 1sts + Howden + Raymond would be a great starting point. a mid to late 1st a late 1st a good prospect and a 2nd/3rd line tweener winger who has shown he can put up 40+ points when healthy.


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