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09-06-2012, 05:18 PM
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What does +/- measure and why does the NHL record that stat..

Komisarek played limited minutes and was still among the Leafs worst +/- players on the season.

Good to hear he is working out hard because there is plenty of room for improvement.

A lockout would do wonders for his game as his on ice mistakes will go unnoticed.
It's a team stat. Not a very good indication at all of an individuals capabilities.

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09-06-2012, 05:20 PM
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What does +/- measure and why does the NHL record that stat..

Komisarek played limited minutes and was still among the Leafs worst +/- players on the season.

Good to hear he is working out hard because there is plenty of room for improvement.

A lockout would do wonders for his game as his on ice mistakes will go unnoticed.
I dont like +/- cause it usually relates to team play rather than player-specific play. It is an OK indicticator of a poor defensive player, but very loosely. For example a -2 player doesnt tell me much at all. neither does a +30 player when the team averages +25.

Corsi seems to be a better indicator(tthat thing that measures the level of difficulty the player faced or in other words how well they did against better players.)

anyway, Komi is Komi, I still dont like the guy but I hope he gets at least a little better under carlyle.

Still guys, it's been 3 years now, it's not like we've seen him go through months of strong play, I never see him play well for longer than a few games or so.

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09-06-2012, 05:23 PM
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What does +/- measure and why does the NHL record that stat.
How many goals (for and against) you were on the ice for with all of your team mates.

I agree with LE, useless stat to use for individuals.

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09-06-2012, 05:33 PM
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What does +/- measure and why does the NHL record that stat..

Komisarek played limited minutes and was still among the Leafs worst +/- players on the season.

Good to hear he is working out hard because there is plenty of room for improvement.

A lockout would do wonders for his game as his on ice mistakes will go unnoticed.
That proves he is a liability when he is on the ice and the other team scores alot more than his team scoring. If its a team game he is contributing greatly to the opposing team scoring. When u see this u get a healthy scratch or benched which is what happened to him. Lets be honest he can't skate nearly at the level that he needs to be. U cant clutch and grab anymore and he can not keep up.

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09-06-2012, 05:39 PM
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I'll admit that Ron Wilson made him play way out of his range (i.e. pinching), so I'll give him just this next season under Carlyle to improve. If not, I'm through with him.

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People often ignored that there were long stretches where Komisarek was actually very good. Unfortunately those stretches always ended, not with a poor performance but with a major injury
That's exactly what I was thinking. This guy can't catch a break.. Start playing good... BAM injury.

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09-06-2012, 06:47 PM
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How many goals (for and against) you were on the ice for with all of your team mates.

I agree with LE, useless stat to use for individuals.
Really? What does it mean if a player is a plus player on a minus team? Also if it is a team stat, why is there such a wide array of +/- players on the team? Shouldn't they all be roughly the same?

Let me give some examples....

Mike Komisarek was a -13 in only 45 games playing a 5/6 role for the most part
Cody Franson was a -1 in 57 games playing in a similar role
Dion Phaneuf was a -10 in 82 games as the #1 D
Rookie Jake Gardiner was a -2 in 75 games playing a lot
Matt Lombardi was the worst on the team at -19 in 62 games playing 3/4th line minutes.

Also when looking at a +/- in conjunction with other stats like goals and assists I think it can tell you something about a player such as.

Carter Ashton 15 GP 0G 0A 0PTS -10

I never saw Ashton play because I pretty much starting doing better things with my time but I can say this player was ineffective based on these stats.

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09-06-2012, 06:55 PM
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NAh, we all know that belongs to the Oilers....

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Really? What does it mean if a player is a plus player on a minus team? Also if it is a team stat, why is there such a wide array of +/- players on the team? Shouldn't they all be roughly the same?

Let me give some examples....

Mike Komisarek was a -13 in only 45 games playing a 5/6 role for the most part
Cody Franson was a -1 in 57 games playing in a similar role
Dion Phaneuf was a -10 in 82 games as the #1 D
Rookie Jake Gardiner was a -2 in 75 games playing a lot
Matt Lombardi was the worst on the team at -19 in 62 games playing 3/4th line minutes.

Also when looking at a +/- in conjunction with other stats like goals and assists I think it can tell you something about a player such as.

Carter Ashton 15 GP 0G 0A 0PTS -10

I never saw Ashton play because I pretty much starting doing better things with my time but I can say this player was ineffective based on these stats.
I agree, Cody Franson is a way more solid defenseman than Phaneuf.

I wonder what happened to the defensive all star Kessel from Boston?

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09-06-2012, 07:30 PM
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I agree, Cody Franson is a way more solid defenseman than Phaneuf.

I wonder what happened to the defensive all star Kessel from Boston?
Im glad that is what you were able to learn from my post. The post was not a slight against Phaneuf...on the contrary. Perhaps my post was too subtle? What does Phil Kessel have to do with anything?

Point is.....keep believing +/- is a useless stat. Thats garbage.

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09-06-2012, 07:33 PM
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theres one of these every offseason for mike komisarek isnt there?

i really dont think that he can or will improve on his play as a leaf. just not a good dman

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Ready to work eh? Well it only took year 3 of the 4 year contract!!

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09-06-2012, 08:59 PM
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.... to stay in the AHL.

Komi needs a defensively good d-man to be paired with him so he can clean up his mistakes.
Like Markov did in Montreal when Komisarek was a number 2 D?

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I agree, Cody Franson is a way more solid defenseman than Phaneuf.

I wonder what happened to the defensive all star Kessel from Boston?
Kessel's a superior player than Bergeron defensively, just look at his +23 vs Bergeron's lousy +2 in 2008/09!

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I really like Komi as a person, seems like a great guy with a hard work ethic. I never question his effort, but his hockey IQ is just so poor. Constant defensive mistakes, constant turnovers, and no real ability to do anything with the puck. I hope he can turn it around, but I'm not convinced he'll be anything more than a mediocre 6/7 dman.

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09-06-2012, 09:22 PM
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Can we let the defensive Carlyle see if he can make Komi the player we signed before we ship him out and have no big physical shot blocking dman

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Really? What does it mean if a player is a plus player on a minus team? Also if it is a team stat, why is there such a wide array of +/- players on the team? Shouldn't they all be roughly the same?
Let me give some examples....

Mike Komisarek was a -13 in only 45 games playing a 5/6 role for the most part
Cody Franson was a -1 in 57 games playing in a similar role
Dion Phaneuf was a -10 in 82 games as the #1 D
Rookie Jake Gardiner was a -2 in 75 games playing a lot
Matt Lombardi was the worst on the team at -19 in 62 games playing 3/4th line minutes.

Also when looking at a +/- in conjunction with other stats like goals and assists I think it can tell you something about a player such as.

Carter Ashton 15 GP 0G 0A 0PTS -10

I never saw Ashton play because I pretty much starting doing better things with my time but I can say this player was ineffective based on these stats.
Ummmm...no? The variables involved are huge.

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09-06-2012, 09:33 PM
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every good team needs a big punishing 3rd pairing meat pounder like Komi. he has been hampered by injuries and maybe he will have a rejuvenated year and be a force.

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Love his personality, his passion, and his determination to become better. Let's hope it pays off. Play for a top four spot Komi. Just try for it.

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I like the way you worded it.
I like the way you reinforced my comment.

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How leaf fans themselves are still hard on this guy ill never truly understand. Yes hes not worth the contract hes signed to but at the time he was considered a good player and wanted by many other teams. He signed onto a sinking ship to begin with.

During that ridiculous game last year against Boston im sorry but watching him actually stand up to Lucic for the sake of the team gave me a complete new level of respect for him. People seem to forget that hockey players are real people with everyday lives for the most part and being on the ice that game the whole leafs team was intimidated and Boston knew it. Men against boys. Everyone knew if they stood up to anyone on that team they were gonna get a beat down and be embarrassed and thats including Komisarek.

I truly wish this guy the best, he legit deserves to be backed by the fans.

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I would't be surprised if he performs well under carlyle. I think he will be the dark horse who turns heads.
I was thinking the same thing and I can't wait to see how he plays under Carlyle for a full season.

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So he wasn't ready to work before? He's **** awful.

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Locker room presence was a specific reason he was brought in. Go back and watch the press conference. Yes, there was a press conference for Komisarek hahaha.
Yes there was another team in New York that offered him more money on the same term, and yes there were many many Montreal fans going squirelly that their potential captain left the team to play eslewhere.

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Im glad that is what you were able to learn from my post. The post was not a slight against Phaneuf...on the contrary. Perhaps my post was too subtle? What does Phil Kessel have to do with anything?

Point is.....keep believing +/- is a useless stat. Thats garbage.
It's not useless at all, it's just not a very good indicator of individual talent.
Based on the comment you were just making, Franson and phaneuf play on the same team, why is Franson's plus minus so much better than Phaneuf's?
And I think it's fairly easy to see the point I was making with Kessel with a little research.

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