Looks as iif the Spits got the player I was wishing for. A great trade IMHO. Bezuch will give them the speed and scoring they needed. Surprised it was Ionin moving on instead of Pavelka.
Next up. .. A new overager.....another scorer?......
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As I posted earlier wondering who the Spits might pick up as an O/A in the forward position,quality players are hard to find players who might be of interest could be Myles Doan,the Lasalle native scored 9 goals last yr but put up 3 and 3 in the playoffs in 16 games and could be an effective winger,Scott Sabourin and Emerson Clark are snarly players who scored 11 and 12 goals respectively,also Corey Durocher who is not with the Hounds scored 16 goals,is 6 ft 3 and might fit in
I suggest these guys because I not sure how ready players such as Studnicka,Verbeek are at this time
I don't know that there's a need for Clark, given we have Bowen and Bilcke already. I'd rather see Doan, the local kid.
I'd rather not fill the OA spot - give the youngsters the spot. This trade makes it seem like we were just freeing up spots. Bezuch is far from a world beater. Seems like a trade was made out of convenience - Kitchener had a couple OA spots and too many imports, Spits wanted to dump a couple OA's and could add an import.
Definitely proves that Tolchinsky was sniped from WR. He didn't have a Plan B, called a time out IIRC and probably took a flyer in Ionin without any scouts/contacts ever seeing him.
I'd rather not fill the OA spot - give the youngsters the spot. This trade makes it seem like we were just freeing up spots. Bezuch is far from a world beater. Seems like a trade was made out of convenience - Kitchener had a couple OA spots and too many imports, Spits wanted to dump a couple OA's and could add an import.
Definitely proves that Tolchinsky was sniped from WR. He didn't have a Plan B, called a time out IIRC and probably took a flyer in Ionin without any scouts/contacts ever seeing him.
Otto
You are correct scouts did not see him play last yr as he missed the season with a shoulder injury
As for Bezuch he may surprise looks like an older Tolshinsky
I'd rather not fill the OA spot - give the youngsters the spot. This trade makes it seem like we were just freeing up spots. Bezuch is far from a world beater. Seems like a trade was made out of convenience - Kitchener had a couple OA spots and too many imports, Spits wanted to dump a couple OA's and could add an import.
Definitely proves that Tolchinsky was sniped from WR. He didn't have a Plan B, called a time out IIRC and probably took a flyer in Ionin without any scouts/contacts ever seeing him.
I get what u are saying re the youngsters but they have to earn it not given it
I do think Myles Doan would be a valuable pickup,his type of experience cant be understated
Bezuch was 56th overall in the 2011 draft, waived and passed by all WHL teams so put in this years import draft and then went 108th this year. So we dropped the 15th overall import pick for the 108th, along with trading a couple OA's who would have each been worth fifth rounders at least.
Maybe the year was growing pains/culture adjustment for Bezuch as reports are he looked decent enough in Rangers camp - for our sake I hope so.
They should go after a former spitfires brother Sam Carrick if they could somehow get him with the last OA that would be great he had 37 goals and 30 assist, along with 104 so he has some grit to him or They should take a run at Kantor in Sudbury he had 8 goals and 21 assist in 60 games to go along with his 136 Penalty minutes...IMO These guys should be the guys to go after.
juraj bezuch, just watched a coule of highlites, from last year on youtube, he does look like hes really skilled and with decent speed. Is a late 93 bd from slovakia. In the right situation here, i could see him as a 20-25 goal guy....very surprised no 1 picked him up in the whl...so kitchener basically picks him up for nothing, so braithwaite, czinder and a 7th for a conditional 6th...props to spott on this 1
They should go after a former spitfires brother Sam Carrick if they could somehow get him with the last OA that would be great he had 37 goals and 30 assist, along with 104 so he has some grit to him or They should take a run at Kantor in Sudbury he had 8 goals and 21 assist in 60 games to go along with his 136 Penalty minutes...IMO These guys should be the guys to go after.
While I like both players Windsor would have to get in a rather large line if these players were available
The Wolves kept Kantor over Schoenmakers as it is dont think he will be dealt any time soon
Besides I am opposed to trading significant assets to acquire an O/A this year already did it with Schoenmakers,guys like Doan make more sense ,low cost
Doan is a rich man's Brendan McCann to me. Boughner doesn't play a 4th line much anyways and I don't think Doan would or should crack our top nine. I could see Bowen used up on the 4th line wing on occasion as well with McNaughton and Sanvido getting some ice time on defence.
Wonder if the spits will pick up another O/A now with Czinder and Braithwaite,somebody from the O or from out west,a forward I would think
I think they could decide to look at an O/A backup goalie. I don't have a lotta faith in Pavelka & almost none in DeKort.
The way the forwards are set up now another guy would be a 3/4th liner and the D seems good.
So an O/A goalie would provide the best back up plan. iMHO..
I think they could decide to look at an O/A backup goalie. I don't have a lotta faith in Pavelka & almost none in DeKort.
The way the forwards are set up now another guy would be a 3/4th liner and the D seems good.
So an O/A goalie would provide the best back up plan. iMHO..
If I am the Spits there is no way I use an O/a spot on a goalie who will back up
I have no problem starting the year with Pavelka and Dekort
Dont know why u have no faith in DeKort has allowed only 1 goal in each exhibition game,last yr he had 2 solid performances and 1 bad 1
Doan is a rich man's Brendan McCann to me. Boughner doesn't play a 4th line much anyways and I don't think Doan would or should crack our top nine. I could see Bowen used up on the 4th line wing on occasion as well with McNaughton and Sanvido getting some ice time on defence.
Otto
A guy like Doan can be used in many situations,there is some uncertanity with this lineup,ie does Maletta get to the next level and just as importantly stay healthy,HoSang will have his ups and downs plus he gone at xmas at the -17,there will be plenty of ice time for a guy like Doan,Bezuch needs to adjust to the O,injuries happen all the time to others,Studnicka and Bilcke need to contribute
The sixth-round pick coming to Windsor is conditional on Braithwaite playing one game with the Rangers or being traded during this season. At this time, Braithwaite has informed the club he intends to pursue his post-secondary education and has not committed to playing an overage season.
Waterloo is a good University depending on what he wants to major in. It would be a pain in the ass to do all the transfer stuff now and miss a few weeks of lectures in the process.
Spits traded a 3rd, a 5th and a 15th to Kingston to get Braithwaite and now trade him for a 6th rounder half a season later?
Hi, I'm new to the forum. But what Windsor did was reeally bad. They gave up a 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 15th (Braithwaite picks included) AND Braithwaite and Czinder for a guy they could have took instead of Ionin, who they let go for free. Here's what I would have done: To Windsor - Next year OA goalie (So he can help the Spits wih their Memorial Cup run) Franky Palazzese, and Import Juraj Bezuch and a conditional 6th. To Kitchener - Jeff Braithwaite, Nick Czinder and Import Jaroslav Pavelka and a 7th. So that would be more fair IMHO, and the Spits get to keep Ionin, who I see some potential in. I felt Pav relied too much on his flexibility and reflexes. So that would secure goaltending, as I see Palazzese as a better goalie than Pav, and they would get Bezuch, the import they wanted.
As usual, there's no point belly aching about the trades until we see this kid on the ice. It doesn't matter where he was taken in the import draft in relation to Ionin, the only thing that matters is which guy is going to help our team the most. It sounds like he was fairly impressive at Rangers camp, so if this Ionin kid was a china doll who wasn't as good as advertised, then we're better off cutting bait now and taking advantage of the Kitchener situation.
Hi, I'm new to the forum. But what Windsor did was reeally bad. They gave up a 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 15th (Braithwaite picks included) AND Braithwaite and Czinder for a guy they could have took instead of Ionin, who they let go for free. Here's what I would have done: To Windsor - Next year OA goalie (So he can help the Spits wih their Memorial Cup run) Franky Palazzese, and Import Juraj Bezuch and a conditional 6th. To Kitchener - Jeff Braithwaite, Nick Czinder and Import Jaroslav Pavelka and a 7th. So that would be more fair IMHO, and the Spits get to keep Ionin, who I see some potential in. I felt Pav relied too much on his flexibility and reflexes. So that would secure goaltending, as I see Palazzese as a better goalie than Pav, and they would get Bezuch, the import they wanted.
What do you think about this?
There was no way Kitchener would take Pavelka,they traded Bezuch because of the 2 Euros they have Reider and Faska,taking another Euro on makes no sense
Overall the Spits in my view have upgraded their offence especially their top 7 with Schoenmakers and Bezuch while giving a 9th forward in Czinder and letting Ionin go as he did not impress
Draft picks are traded all the time as well as acquired so be it
Spits are a better team today then a week ago in my view
I'm so glad that the 15th overall pick was waived....
I rarely criticize Rychel for his moves....but seriously? WTF?
My god did the Spits ever ******* up at the import draft. What a waste of a fairly high import pick. They sure as hell better hit a homerun at next years draft. And then to trade for a guy who wasn't wanted by anyone in WHL? What are you doing Warren? Hello 7th or 8th place.
Its already been pointed out about the cost of aquiring Braithwaite versus what he brought back in a trade.
We move Czinder and look at who else is available as an OA? Czinder had his ups and downs but some of these names being suggested will likely contribute less than Czinder and likely cost us more as well. Makes no sense.
Myles Doan, was there not something posted somewhere about him going to school this year? If so then Rychel would be giving up a conditional pick in the hopes that he would show up ala Braithewaite in Kitchener, Makes no sense.
No team wants to carry a player that fills both an OA spot as well as an Import spot. While we may currently have two Import picks next season we are currently carrying two Imports who could be OAs next season. If neither of those Import slots are very high, and there is no guarantee they will be then they do not carry much value and Rychel would likely be looking to upgrade both of them, more assets out the door needlessly. Makes no sense.
Ionin, selected 15th this year in the Import draft and already waived in favour of a kid who was picked for the second time in the Import draft after having been waived through the WHL and likely the other two leagues. Not sure how waiving Imports works, if its the same as the regular waiving procedure or simply waived through the originating league. If he cleared all 3 leagues on waivers then Kitchener screwed up for picking him in the first place when they could have had him for nothing while Windsor did the same thing, with a high pick they could have dealt instead of trading assets for a kid waived then picked again. Makes no sense.
This entire off season has made no sense at all. Picking Ionin because your player was already gone? Should have dealt the pick for other assets if you had no interest in anyone else especially when you consider who was left on the board. Makes no sense at all.
Its already been pointed out about the cost of aquiring Braithwaite versus what he brought back in a trade.
We move Czinder and look at who else is available as an OA? Czinder had his ups and downs but some of these names being suggested will likely contribute less than Czinder and likely cost us more as well. Makes no sense.
Myles Doan, was there not something posted somewhere about him going to school this year? If so then Rychel would be giving up a conditional pick in the hopes that he would show up ala Braithewaite in Kitchener, Makes no sense.
No team wants to carry a player that fills both an OA spot as well as an Import spot. While we may currently have two Import picks next season we are currently carrying two Imports who could be OAs next season. If neither of those Import slots are very high, and there is no guarantee they will be then they do not carry much value and Rychel would likely be looking to upgrade both of them, more assets out the door needlessly. Makes no sense.
Ionin, selected 15th this year in the Import draft and already waived in favour of a kid who was picked for the second time in the Import draft after having been waived through the WHL and likely the other two leagues. Not sure how waiving Imports works, if its the same as the regular waiving procedure or simply waived through the originating league. If he cleared all 3 leagues on waivers then Kitchener screwed up for picking him in the first place when they could have had him for nothing while Windsor did the same thing, with a high pick they could have dealt instead of trading assets for a kid waived then picked again. Makes no sense.
This entire off season has made no sense at all. Picking Ionin because your player was already gone? Should have dealt the pick for other assets if you had no interest in anyone else especially when you consider who was left on the board. Makes no sense at all.
Actually the 2 import picks next yr could be high if all the gloom and doom comes true,Niagara Falls is in rebuild and Windsor with these bad deals not my view wont be much better
I feel that Schoenmakers and Bezuch will do just fine and are an upgrade over Czinder and Ionin
Sometimes the Euro draft is a crap shoot,this was one of them the last few years,Koko,Kuhnhackl and Loktionov were great picks,wont hang the gm for a gaffe,especially if Bezuch turns out
As for Doan I knew he is enrolled in school,he could be had cheap,and he did play well last yr especially in the playoffs
I do like Windsor"s top 9 forwards more then a couple days ago
Clarke,Rychel,Vail,Johnson,
Marchese,Maletta,Schoenmakers,Bezuch and HoSang are better then are 9 from last yr,dont understand the negativity
If you really think about it it's not that bad, Braithwait sounds like he's not coming back any way, Then it's a 7th in 2014 and Czinder for Bezuck who is one year younger and I think he has potential he's really fast by the sounds of it, he has great hands, the guy will get a ton of opportunities here to prove himself.
If you really think about it it's not that bad, Braithwait sounds like he's not coming back any way, Then it's a 7th in 2014 and Czinder for Bezuck who is one year younger and I think he has potential he's really fast by the sounds of it, he has great hands, the guy will get a ton of opportunities here to prove himself.
Good pts made,at this pt I am willing to wait and see
I would still like to see Rychel fill that remaining O/A sooner then later,the conference is going to be so tight especially the last 5 playoff spots
I do think Plymouth,Kitchener and London in no particular order are the best 3, with a good dogfight for the rest
What a waste of a fairly high import pick.
They sure as hell better hit a homerun at next years draft. And then to trade for a guy who wasn't wanted by anyone in WHL? What are you doing Warren? Hello 7th or 8th place.
