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11-09-2012, 12:32 PM
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Kessel will leave if he is not signed. We won't trade the guy.

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11-09-2012, 12:37 PM
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To Winnipeg:
Kessel
Komisarek

To Toronto:
Kane
Scheifele
Bogosian
Winnipeg gets gung-hoed.

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11-09-2012, 12:53 PM
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Kessel will leave if he is not signed. We won't trade the guy.
Burke hasn't let a single player of value leave as UFA. Don't expect that to change.

Cup contenders can take that risk (i.e. New Jersey with Parise) but a team like Toronto can't.

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11-09-2012, 12:55 PM
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Winnipeg gets gung-hoed.
That's why we do it

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11-09-2012, 02:49 PM
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I think a fair value deal would be:

Tor - Bobby Ryan
Ana - Phil Kessel

Bobby has three years left on his contract, and they are the same age.
Kessel has just had a breakout year, and is probably always going to put up more points, but Ryan has more of an impact on the game with his ability to play along the boards, and still put up great numbers (Something we lack dearly). I see them as the same value based on contract status, without contract status I give a slight edge to Phil.

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11-09-2012, 04:47 PM
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Winnipeg gets gung-hoed.
one of their fans are definitely having a nervous breakdown if they see this lolll

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11-09-2012, 11:50 PM
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I said at the begining of this thread that if we had to deal phil if he didnt want to re up, I dont understand whats hard to understand about that, I wouldnt give him up otherwise. Try reading the whole thing before posting guys.
I think the point is is that I'd we have to trade kessel we won't be trading him for that. An elite forward is definitely coming back, not 2 guys we don't need and a goalie that may or may not be better than reimer turns out to be.

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11-09-2012, 11:59 PM
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Why are we even talking about trading kessel? We've watched him become the goal scorer he was meant to be, than saw him become the play maker no one thought he was, and we even saw his 2way game improve,and he started to play with some emotion. He's still got more to show us.

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11-10-2012, 12:12 AM
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I say we take advantage of this situation and find a similar scenario for another team.

This based on current players not wanting to re-sign and thus initiating a trade to resolve this where the traded players agree to extensions with their new teams.

To Anaheim:

Phil Kessel
Mikhail Grabovski
Nikolai Kulemin

To Toronto:

Corey Perry
Ryan Getzlaf
Hmmm, 2 solid 2/3ed liners and one elite scorer, all of which contractually obligated for several years for 2 UFAs (if they were resigned they wouldn't be traded and how would 2 players deside to sign only contingent on the fact that they both get traded and both want to go to the same place and that place happens to be Toronto.)... I hope you don't work in finance or gamble much.


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11-10-2012, 10:38 AM
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Lets be realistic

Kyle Beach for Blacker & 3rd.

if were lucky..

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11-10-2012, 10:42 AM
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Lets be realistic

Kyle Beach for Blacker & 3rd.

if were lucky..
This is a good one, i would probably do it, although we have an extremely large amount of wingers, if Beach pans out even as a third line winger, Beach-xx-Biggs would be a huge third line

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11-10-2012, 11:23 AM
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This is a good one, i would probably do it, although we have an extremely large amount of wingers, if Beach pans out even as a third line winger, Beach-xx-Biggs would be a huge third line
No we are trading Lupul and kessel in a panic move for trash in case they don't resign, and grabovski and kulimen just for the hell of it. And we are throwing bozak in to sweeten a deal.. beach-xx-biggs will have to be our first line.

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11-10-2012, 12:47 PM
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Burke hasn't let a single player of value leave as UFA. Don't expect that to change.

Cup contenders can take that risk (i.e. New Jersey with Parise) but a team like Toronto can't.
No, he's resigned them all.

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11-10-2012, 02:17 PM
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Lets be realistic

Kyle Beach for Blacker & 3rd.

if were lucky..
Wouldln't work for Hawks given the Hawks glut of dmen in NHL and in pipeline

If Hawks move Beach at this point he will be part of package to improve team or for a longterm RW prospect as our system outside of Jimmy Hayes and Andrew Shaw (Maxim Shalunov is wildcard) has very little to offer at RW now or longterm

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11-10-2012, 02:18 PM
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The more i think about it getting Kyle Beach for Blacker/3rd which is fair and Chicago needs D prospects and has a huge surplus of forward prospects McNeil Saad Pirri Beach could work

It brings grit/size to third line and Beach is showing signs of coming on

3rd line Beach McKegg Biggs sound loads of bangers and a lot of skill

4th line Ross Komorov Devane

My line up in 2 years

Lupol Getzlaf Kessel
JVR Monahan Shinkaruk
Beach McKegg Biggs
Ross Komorov Devane
D'Amigo

Phanuef Rielly
Gardner XXXX
Finn Percy
XXXX

Reimer/XXXX

Gardner's partner comes from trading Gabo and would be a younger top 4 shutdown established D

Kuleman dealt for a goalie


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11-10-2012, 02:25 PM
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The more i think about it getting Kyle Beach for Blacker/3rd which is fair and Chicago needs D prospects and has a huge surplus of forward prospects McNeil Saad Pirri Beach could work

It brings grit/size to third line and Beach is showing signs of coming on

How would a line of Beach Rupert Biggs sound
Disagree with the D prospect part

Hawks have in Rockford right now

Nick Leddy (2009 1st rounder) (NHL Regular at this point)
Dylan Olsen (2009 1st rounder)
Adam Clendening (2011 2nd rounder)
Klas Dahlbeck (2011 3rd rounder)
Joe Lavin (2007 5th rounder)

At NCAA/Jr level
Stephen Johns (2010 2nd rounder)
Michael Paliotta (2011 3rd rounder)
Justin Holl (2010 2nd rounder)
Nick Mattson (2010 6th rounder)
Dillon Fournier (2012 2nd rounder)

Hawks system is pretty bleak at RW in longterm

Stocked at LW/C/D but lacks much in way of RW talent beyond Shaw/Hayes and the G prospect pool is just a bunch of longshots in Kent Simpson/Mac Carruth/Johan Mattsson

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11-10-2012, 02:33 PM
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I say we take advantage of this situation and find a similar scenario for another team.

This based on current players not wanting to re-sign and thus initiating a trade to resolve this where the traded players agree to extensions with their new teams.

To Anaheim:

Phil Kessel
Mikhail Grabovski
Nikolai Kulemin

To Toronto:

Corey Perry
Ryan Getzlaf
Perry and Getzlaf have ZERO value at this moment in time if the lockout continues. They're UFA's.

Unless they don't want to sign in Anaheim and Murray and Burke both know that, then we could do a sign and trade...but that is highly unlikely.

If Murray loses both of those guys..he's fired. There haven't been any indication of Getzlaf or Perry not wanting to re-sign in Anaheim. Only Bobby Ryan has problems with his persistent trade rumors...I doubt Getzlaf and Perry were ever available.

This deal doesn't make sense at all.

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11-10-2012, 02:39 PM
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I totally disagree Chicago has a weak prospect pool for D

There top 10 prospects have 1 only 1 Dman and he is ranked 10

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=46593

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11-10-2012, 02:48 PM
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I totally disagree Chicago has a weak prospect pool for D

There top 10 prospects have 1 only 1 Dman and he is ranked 10

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=46593
They don't have a strong one either, but then again their main D prospect have flourished into a Norris trophy winner and the other the partner in crime.

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11-10-2012, 02:57 PM
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I think a fair value deal would be:

Tor - Bobby Ryan
Ana - Phil Kessel

Bobby has three years left on his contract, and they are the same age.
Kessel has just had a breakout year, and is probably always going to put up more points, but Ryan has more of an impact on the game with his ability to play along the boards, and still put up great numbers (Something we lack dearly). I see them as the same value based on contract status, without contract status I give a slight edge to Phil.
I doubt Anaheim would make a one for one trade like that. Yesterday I read on The Hockey News that at the 2012 Draft the Flyers offered James van Riemsdyk for Bobby Ryan, however the Ducks also wanted Sean Couturier as part of that deal and the Flyers said no. So my feeling is the Ducks would want someone like Morgan Rielly if Burke wanted Bobby Ryan.

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I doubt Anaheim would make a one for one trade like that. Yesterday I read on The Hockey News that at the 2012 Draft the Flyers offered James van Riemsdyk for Bobby Ryan, however the Ducks also wanted Sean Couturier as part of that deal and the Flyers said no. So my feeling is the Ducks would want someone like Morgan Rielly if Burke wanted Bobby Ryan.
Lol? Kessel > JVR, Rielly or Couturier

No way would I trade Kessel for Ryan

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11-10-2012, 03:55 PM
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I doubt Anaheim would make a one for one trade like that. Yesterday I read on The Hockey News that at the 2012 Draft the Flyers offered James van Riemsdyk for Bobby Ryan, however the Ducks also wanted Sean Couturier as part of that deal and the Flyers said no. So my feeling is the Ducks would want someone like Morgan Rielly if Burke wanted Bobby Ryan.
Is this serious

Kessel is better then all 3 players... The only argument against Kessel is that his contract will be expiring

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11-10-2012, 06:48 PM
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I totally disagree Chicago has a weak prospect pool for D

There top 10 prospects have 1 only 1 Dman and he is ranked 10

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=46593
Problem is HB and HF take away our 21 yr old (Just turned 21 at end of last year) Nick Leddy who is major part of our team going forward

Olsen/Clendening/Johns are all considered solid prospects

Hawks dont really need any dmen that are close to NHL ready given our depth of vet NHL defenders

Hawks need longterm prospects to keep prospect pool stocked going forward

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They don't have a strong one either, but then again their main D prospect have flourished into a Norris trophy winner and the other the partner in crime.
Now that was a hell of a prospect pool the Hawks once had

Keith = Became #1 Norris winner
Seabrook = Became Hawks 1A
Hjalmarsson = Became a 2nd pairing defender
Byfuglien = Became Top 4 offensive dman in NHL
Wisniewski = Became Top 4 Physical/Offensive dman in NHL
Babchuk = NHL #5/6
Barker = Became absolute bust ,, But was turned into Nick Leddy

Some pretty damn impressive depth lost due to cam

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No we are trading Lupul and kessel in a panic move for trash in case they don't resign, and grabovski and kulimen just for the hell of it. And we are throwing bozak in to sweeten a deal.. beach-xx-biggs will have to be our first line.
Why so sarcastic?

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Is this serious

Kessel is better then all 3 players... The only argument against Kessel is that his contract will be expiring
Which is the exact argument I made. And to above poster the value difference between Kessel and JVR is massive.

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