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12-13-2012, 05:58 PM
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As an admitted non-Yankee fan, I am a bit confused by what they're doing. I understand the preference for 1-year deals. I just don't know if the Yankees are better.
There was an article by Jon Morosi that made the same point.

But that's the point isn't it? It's tough to get better while cutting payroll (below $189M for next season). If their sole intention was to get better, they wouldn't put any restrictions on the contracts they give out.

That being said, I don't think they got any worse besides the fact that their old team is one year older--which probably can't be overlooked.

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12-13-2012, 06:01 PM
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He's missed 32 games in 12 seasons.

Ichiro is arguably the most durable player in baseball.
I'm not worried about the quantity of his games played, I'm worried about the quality. He's been pretty bad overall the past 1 1/2 seasons before his resurgence following the trade.

There's something about committing 2 years to a 40 year old whose game is built on speed though.

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12-13-2012, 06:09 PM
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As an admitted non-Yankee fan, I am a bit confused by what they're doing. I understand the preference for 1-year deals. I just don't know if the Yankees are better.
Their goal isnt to win world championships anymore, i can tell you that. their goal is to stay competitive enough to make the playoffs, fill in as many seats as possible wit that competitive team and stay below the luxury tax threshold.

The 2013 market's weak. Plus they have two outstanding outfield prospects who'll be ready by 2015. Also the 2015 class as of right now is a monster free agent class.

My guess is that Cashman feels Joba will be healthy enough to be the 8th inning guy and Robertson will be the closer onxce Mo is gone.

Nova and Hughes will develop into solid No. 2 and No. 3 starters. Sabathia has at least 4-5 good years left in him.

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12-13-2012, 06:21 PM
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He's missed 32 games in 12 seasons.

Ichiro is arguably the most durable player in baseball.
The point was he was terrible before he came here.

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12-13-2012, 06:31 PM
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The point was he was terrible before he came here.
He really wasnt if you watched him play.

That lineup in Seattle was terrible. Zero protection. Zero production. He's still fast, puts the ball in play and provides gold glove caliber defense.

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12-13-2012, 06:34 PM
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Wade Boggs had his worst statistical season in Boston in 1992. I saw it first hand. The stats actually make him look better than he was.

When they Yankees acquired him, it was frowned upon.

The minute he came to NY, however, he was a changed player. You can argue that Boggs was the most valuable hitter in the Yankees lineups from 1993-1996.

I dont care what Ichiro did for his last half season in Seattle. He clearly stepped his game up when he came to New York, and if he struggles offensively, you can always flip flop he and Gardner from the top of the lineup to the bottom.

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Wade Boggs had his worst statistical season in Boston in 1992. I saw it first hand. The stats actually make him look better than he was.

When they Yankees acquired him, it was frowned upon.

The minute he came to NY, however, he was a changed player. You can argue that Boggs was the most valuable hitter in the Yankees lineups from 1993-1996.

I dont care what Ichiro did for his last half season in Seattle. He clearly stepped his game up when he came to New York, and if he struggles offensively, you can always flip flop he and Gardner from the top of the lineup to the bottom.
It wasn't just his last 95 games in a mariner uniform, his obp in 2011 where he played 161 games was 310, and then 95 games in 2012 was 288. Great year in 2010 with one of the worst teams in baseball, 315 average 359 obp. He had a great 70 games with the Yanks, but giving him two years just seems like a stretch to me, hopefully he proves me wrong, and I hope he does.

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12-13-2012, 06:54 PM
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He really wasnt if you watched him play.

That lineup in Seattle was terrible. Zero protection. Zero production. He's still fast, puts the ball in play and provides gold glove caliber defense.
With such a terrible lineup its shocking he was only able to rack up 39 walks in 2011 (granted 13 were intentional).

And I think Glove Glove Caliber is a huge stretch in describing his defense at this point.

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12-13-2012, 07:02 PM
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Grrr. Play chicken with him. He wants to be a Yankee, let him prove just how much.

They'll play hardball with Jeter, but not with Ichiro and his 76 games as a Yankee.
Yes, it's precisely because he's only had 76 games as a Yankee. Jeter has been with the Yankees for 17 years and has 5 rings with them. He's not going anywhere else. Everyone knows it. If a player isn't going anywhere the team holds all the cards to play hardball.

Ichiro on the other hand doesn't have those ties and will be much more open to leaving New York. It's a much more competitive market.

Derek Jeter would NEVER play for another team, so you can't even compare the negotiation process between him and Ichiro.

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It's obviously a different situation, but the same principles are at work.

Ichiro reportedly wanted back with the Yankees something bad. To me this is situation where you would try to squeeze him based on that desire.

edit: It's just a battle I would have fought. Obviously the Yankees felt differently.

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Ichiro is still really good defensively. However, he's losing his speed. Ichiro and Youk could be good signings, but I think it's more likely they both continue to decline. Youk had a very pedestrian wOBA last season, and he'll have to improve on that to be a good signing. Also, as a Mets fan in all of this, I hope we resign Dickey now that Myers is off the table.

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I also think the Yankees think he'll be motivated to get to 3000 hits in two years. His bat speed certainly hasn't declined.

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angels just keep spending money. now they get hamilton for 5 years $125 million. they now have trout, hamilton, and pujols in their lineup. wow.

And still thin on pitching.

Weaver is a legit ace and one of the better pitchers in the game. Wilson is a solid middle of the rotation arm and the rest is garbage. Hanson, Blanton and Richards. They better hope Hanson is fine and Richards figures it out otherwise they aren't making playoffs with that rotation.

They might now chase a guy like Dickey.

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And still thin on pitching.

Weaver is a legit ace and one of the better pitchers in the game. Wilson is a solid middle of the rotation arm and the rest is garbage. Hanson, Blanton and Richards. They better hope Hanson is fine and Richards figures it out otherwise they aren't making playoffs with that rotation.

They might now chase a guy like Dickey.
Dickey for Trumbo makes a lot of sense. Angels upgrade their rotation and move an outfielder. The Mets get a legit MLB outfielder with power.

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Anibal Sanchez off the market. Further drives up the price for Dickey.

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Anibal Sanchez off the market. Further drives up the price for Dickey.
5 years 80m is ridiculous for a guy thats won 10+ games in a season twice.

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What the hell are the Red Sox doing? Dempster, Victorino, Napoli, Ross and Gomes?

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What the hell are the Red Sox doing? Dempster, Victorino, Napoli, Ross and Gomes?
They never did sign Ross.

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I have resigned myself to the fact that Dickey is a goner.

I truly hate the Wilpons.

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Would suck not having Dickey in New York. Even as a Yankees fan that guy was exciting.

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Would suck not having Dickey in New York. Even as a Yankees fan that guy was exciting.
We can sign him next yr.

Sabathia
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Give us the WS pls.

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We can sign him next yr.

Sabathia
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Give us the WS pls.
He'll almost certainly sign an extension wherever he's traded.

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He'll almost certainly sign an extension wherever he's traded.
Perhaps.

What would Mets fans want from the Jays/Angels/Rangers for Dickey?

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They never did sign Ross.
They signed David Ross, pretty good signing too.

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Perhaps.

What would Mets fans want from the Jays/Angels/Rangers for Dickey?
Your best hitting prospect, plus another good hitting prospect.

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