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09-08-2012, 01:11 AM
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vancouver-winipeg-florida

Get straight to the point

First post try not to flame

Kesler booth 3rd 2013 for E Kane little

Dont think wheeler is avaible


E Kane, Schroeder Luongo Raymond for huberdeau bergenhiem ellerby Matthias


New lines

Twins bur
Little huberdeau Higgins
Bergenhiem Matthias Hansen
Kassian lapierre weise
Malhotra

Not a very strong 2nd line but good for future

Kassian huberdeau Jensen


Hammer juice
Garrison elder
Tanev Ballard
Ellerby

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09-08-2012, 01:13 AM
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I don't see why Vancouver would do either of these. Especially the second one. They're trying to win now and losing Kesler, Boot, Kane (if they were to do the first trade), and Raymond won't make that happen.

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panthers laugh and hang out because they wont deal jonathan huberdeau he is the future of the panthers

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09-08-2012, 01:16 AM
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The Winnipeg trade looks fair, not that I'd do it.

The Florida trade is huge overpayment from our part, imo, for what is mostly junk(excepting Huberdeau, of course)

I think Huberdeau, Goc, Petrovic for Luongo, Kane, Raymond would be fairer.

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09-08-2012, 01:18 AM
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The Winnipeg trade looks fair, not that I'd do it.

The Florida trade is huge overpayment from our part, imo, for what is mostly junk(excepting Huberdeau, of course)

I think Huberdeau, Goc, Petrovic for Luongo, Kane, Raymond would be fairer.
Even with that fixed trade, would Van want to do it? I'd rather have Kane than Huberdeau personally.

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panthers laugh and hang out because they wont deal jonathan huberdeau he is the future of the panthers
Kane>>Huberdeau

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09-08-2012, 01:21 AM
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huberdeau will become a star

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Even with that fixed trade, would Van want to do it? I'd rather have Kane than Huberdeau personally.
We need a young all-star centre to take over Henrik and huberdeau will do that

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We need a young all-star centre to take over Henrik and huberdeau will do that
The Sedins are only 31 years old, there is plenty of time to draft/develop a stud centre to take over for him down the line. And yes, Huberdeau might become a star centre, it might even be likely, but Kane already is a star first line power forward which would help the Canucks a lot more for the next few years as they try for a cup.

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panthers laugh and hang out because they wont deal jonathan huberdeau he is the future of the panthers
But they get Kane back who will bring a consistent goal scorer 35+ a year

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So we give away our Selke-calibre center on a great contract, a ~25 goals power forward, our franchise goalie (granted with a long contract), our one good center prospect and a decent 15-20 goals two way forward for:

a bluechip center prospect who won't necessarily have a bigger impact than Kesler, a 15-20 goals two-way forward, a bottom pairing defensive defenseman and and a bottom 6 forward


Value is not even remotely close to being there and why would the Canucks even trade two forwards entering their prime when they need to try to win before the Sedins/Burrows/Bieksa get too old?

I wouldn't trade Luongo for the three Florida players (value there but no need for more depth) or deal Kesler straight up for Huberdeau (trying to win now). And then throw in the other guys... ugh.

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09-08-2012, 01:25 AM
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The Sedin's are only 31 years old, there is plenty of time to draft/develop a stud centre to take over for him down the line.
But I dont want to suffer like Edmonton did but u can bet the will win stanleycups in 5 years

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Even with that fixed trade, would Van want to do it? I'd rather have Kane than Huberdeau personally.
Well, if we did the first trade, we'd need to get a replacement 2C, which might be Huberdeau if he ends up playing C at the NHL level, but Goc or Schroeder could be a fallback I guess if he ends up playing wing.

We'd end up as:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Huberdeau-Schroeder-Little
Raymond-Goc-Kassian
Hansen-Lapierre-Hansen

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
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Petrovic

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Our 2nd line has a boatload of potential, but it would make us weaker right now. i don't think I'd do it, despite being high on Huberdeau, I think he wins the Calder.

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09-08-2012, 01:29 AM
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So we give away our Selke-calibre center on a great contract, a ~25 goals power forward, our franchise goalie (granted with a long contract), our one good center prospect and a decent 15-20 goals two way forward for:

a bluechip center prospect who won't necessarily have a bigger impact than Kesler, a 15-20 goals two-way forward, a bottom pairing defensive defenseman and and a bottom 6 forward


Value is not even remotely close to being there and why would the Canucks even trade two forwards entering their prime when they need to try to win before the Sedins/Burrows/Bieksa get too old?
Luongo is not our franchise goalie anymore and I have noticed to get quality u give quality and Kesler is exactly that I love kes but we need to start looking in the future. I know Kesler is young but I like huberdeau.

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09-08-2012, 01:31 AM
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Kesler's no trade clause has kicked in.

Bad trade all around anyways. Vancouver gets worse right now, Florida loses their top end centre depth and has nothing to replace it. Winnipeg makes out okay.

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Kane>>Huberdeau
I don't think Kane would be the person we would trade Huberdeau for, he is easily projected to put up the points Kane has put up, I just don't see it happening.

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09-08-2012, 01:34 AM
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Kesler's no trade clause has kicked in.

Bad trade all around anyways. Vancouver gets worse right now, Florida loses their top end centre depth and has nothing to replace it. Winnipeg makes out okay.
Exactly van takes a step back but in the future they get better.

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Why not leave Winnipeg out of it?

Kesler + Luongo for Huberdeau + Goc + Petrovic

*I'm not saying we should do this, just trying to simplify things and see where it gets us.

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I like the dynamics demonstrated. Getting younger is definitely becoming an issue, especially if there isn't hockey this season!

Kesler might come back from his surgery a little slower and less mobile, which fractures his game. I'd be fine trading him away for a younger center or as part of a Kane trade package. That said, if Kesler fetches E. Kane, why go further?

Luongo may or may not fetch an acceptable return. Teams did not break down the door to get him, though. I do not think the contract is the issue. I suspect the best thing to do is hang on to him for this season. Beyond that, we have to see how Lack develops. If Lack is going to be a starter, Schnieder can move on as a proven #1 and Lack can be mentored by Lu. If Luongo backs up Lack for a couple of years that takes him to retirement age.

A lot depends on the CBA. If the year is lost, Luongo will be untradeable on hockey grounds. The Sedins will be far removed from thier previous form. Edler and Burrows may sign elsewhere as FAs. If that happens, then it would be a good idea to blow up the core before it rots away inactive.

Fans seem to think a year off won't hinder the team very much. If Gillis agrees, he should return to fan ranks or go back to agenting.

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09-08-2012, 01:56 AM
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Exactly van takes a step back but in the future they get better.
And lose the ability to contend now...

We have no one who can replace Kesler's role on the team.

Then again this is HF, where picks and prospects > players.

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So we give away our Selke-calibre center on a great contract, a ~25 goals power forward, our franchise goalie (granted with a long contract), our one good center prospect and a decent 15-20 goals two way forward for:

a bluechip center prospect who won't necessarily have a bigger impact than Kesler, a 15-20 goals two-way forward, a bottom pairing defensive defenseman and and a bottom 6 forward


Value is not even remotely close to being there and why would the Canucks even trade two forwards entering their prime when they need to try to win before the Sedins/Burrows/Bieksa get too old?

I wouldn't trade Luongo for the three Florida players (value there but no need for more depth) or deal Kesler straight up for Huberdeau (trying to win now). And then throw in the other guys... ugh.
^ This.

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Exactly van takes a step back but in the future they get better.
So we go from good, to average so we can be above average in 5 years?

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First trade is terrible for Winnipeg. I don't know that I'd trade Kane for Kesler so I'll call that a wash but I definitely wouldn't trade Little for a now useless Booth and a 3rd. That's essentially Winnipeg upgrading at second-line C by making a downgrade of greater magnitude in terms of goal-scoring and youth (are those valuable?).

Second trade is even worse for Vancouver though. You could easily drop Schroeder and Raymond and it still looks ridiculous. I guess to that extent both trades completely misgauge Kane's value.

It's also ridiculous to have Little at LW in your projected post-trade lineup and then leave him out entirely in your discussion of the future second-line, as if he's not already established as at least second-line talent.

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Winnipeg makes out okay.
I'll read that as a joke.

Kane is a 21 year old 1st line winger that continues to get better. Kesler is the best piece going in return as a former Selke nominee as a 28 year old 2 way center. Also injured & expected to be on IR until January.

Booth doesn't bring any thing more to the game but costs almost twice as much as Little while again being older.

So the Jets lose a lot more then what a 3rd rounder would even up.

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09-08-2012, 03:27 AM
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Well, if we did the first trade, we'd need to get a replacement 2C, which might be Huberdeau if he ends up playing C at the NHL level, but Goc or Schroeder could be a fallback I guess if he ends up playing wing.

We'd end up as:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Huberdeau-Schroeder-Little
Raymond-Goc-Kassian
Hansen-Lapierre-Hansen

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev
Petrovic

Schneider
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Our 2nd line has a boatload of potential, but it would make us weaker right now. i don't think I'd do it, despite being high on Huberdeau, I think he wins the Calder.
I would only consider this if you take the technology used to clone Hansen and pump us out a 3rd Sedin.

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But they get Kane back who will bring a consistent goal scorer 35+ a year
Kane scored 30 goals last season. He isnt a 35+ goal scorer in this league, yet. Im not giving up Huberdeau for him.

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