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09-12-2012, 08:36 AM
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Trading Hjalmarsson because we have Brookbank and Rozsival would be a terrible decision. These signings (I'd like to think) are meant to add depth. Not to trade Hjalmarsson for a moderate upgrade At 2C
I agree. Why are some folks here so eager to put Hammer on the block? Stan has given no indication that he is going anywhere and it would have to be a sweet deal before he lets him go.

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I agree. Why are some folks here so eager to put Hammer on the block? Stan has given no indication that he is going anywhere and it would have to be a sweet deal before he lets him go.
Because Hammer is useless. He doesn't score a lot of points and doesn't constantly throw big hits. And everybody knows that playing defense is all about scoring and hitting. Hammer is just a soft and offensively inept worthless piece of trash. I mean come on everybody knows that. But anything less than Ryan Getzlaf+ for Hammer would just provide more proof that Bowman should be fired.

*Not ranting at you BobbyJet. I agree with what you said. Just venting my frustration with some other people who complain constantly about how *awful* they think some players on the roster are and will then turn around and ***** if one of them is traded because it wasn't for an Elite player who fixes all the Hawks problems.

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Despite HF's views of Hjalmarsson i think there are a lot of GMs out there that would really want the guy.

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Keith - Seabrook
Cololaiacovo - Rozival
Hammar - Oduya


Pretty good. Leddy sucks and needs to go.

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I forgot Rosival fixes the PK, PP, goaltending and lack pf physicality right?

Or like most of our D-men he is an averaged sized, none physical, none specialist D-man who does nothing but provide depth at an area we need talent and not depth.

I would have rather the Hawks spend that 6.77 million on people who might actually fill a hole and not Oduya, Brookbank and Rosival whose similarities greatly out number their differences.
Actually, he does improve the PK, has a great shot from the point so can be used on the PP, blocks shots and hits consistenly. It's clear you have never seen him play.

He avg'd 20+ mins in the playoffs for the Coyotes which was 3rd most on their team. But he's a bottom pairing Dman on a worse defensive team. In 15 playoff games I believe he had 31 blocked shots and 28 hits.

He is also our 3rd biggegst Dman now, behind Seabrook and Hjalmarsson (6'-2" 210lbs) which is above average for a defender.

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Keith - Seabrook
Cololaiacovo - Rozival
Hammar - Oduya


Pretty good. Leddy sucks and needs to go.
Yes, because he's 21 and must be fully developed

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I agree. Why are some folks here so eager to put Hammer on the block? Stan has given no indication that he is going anywhere and it would have to be a sweet deal before he lets him go.
Agreed, would have to be a sweet deal and I like Hammer and Leddy a lot but we need to get this team better, and these are two pieces we could part with now that we have Roszi. The team is probably better off moving Leddy in the short term but long term, it could bite us bad. It depends on what we could get for either one.

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The team is probably better off moving Leddy in the short term but long term, it could bite us bad. It depends on what we could get for either one.
I agree, Leddy is much more likely to help land that # 2 center or another very significant player.

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Leddy would in all likelihood fetch more than Hammer and certainly Monty, and for good reason. He has great wheels and is 21 years old and for those reasons I’d like to keep him to see how he matures.

IMO, No matter how you shake it, it should be Oduya that gets traded but apparently he has a no-trade clause in his new contract and that is frustrating… hence keep them all and let’s see how it progresses. The upside, besides the added depth, is that youngsters like Leddy and Olsen don’t need to be put into a situation they can’t handle (which was not the case last season, especially for Leddy).

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No a team that has been eliminated in the first round the last 2 years and did nothing to improve it's self is moving in the right direction and one of the best teams in the NHL.

The last 2 years their average finish in the league is 11.5 out of 30 teams and thelost in the first round of the play-offs, a play-offs that more then half the league makes, that sounds mediocre to me.
Dear god, go cheer for another team then. Unfortunately, you're a moron if you believe a team with Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Marian Hossa, Patrick Sharp, Dave Bolland, Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook is "mediocre" and you simply can't be helped. Calgary is a mediocre team, Winnipeg is a mediocre team, Tampa Bay is a medicore team.. Chicago is not. If you can't get over that fact, then go cheer for an actual mediocre team where your claims would be better received.

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I see our pairings playing out like this:

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Oduya - Rozsival
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Montador-Brookbank

Not a bad corps at all.

Rozsival has a fair chance of getting injured or wearing down as the season goes on. He's a quality player, but it's good that we have guys that can tag in and take his place if the need arises.

I'm really hoping Q figures out the proper way to use Montador this year. He's not a bad player in the slightest, but he was utilized horribly this year. His concussions certainly didn't help matters.

I see Brookbank tagging in when we need more of a physical element on the bottom pair. For the sake of his durability, it'd be best to keep Ros out of those games until the stretch run/playoffs.

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Leddy would in all likelihood fetch more than Hammer and certainly Monty, and for good reason. He has great wheels and is 21 years old and for those reasons I’d like to keep him to see how he matures.

IMO, No matter how you shake it, it should be Oduya that gets traded but apparently he has a no-trade clause in his new contract and that is frustrating… hence keep them all and let’s see how it progresses. The upside, besides the added depth, is that youngsters like Leddy and Olsen don’t need to be put into a situation they can’t handle (which was not the case last season, especially for Leddy).
This, among other reasons, lead me to be in agreement with you. I'm not saying he's untouchable; few players truly are and you listen/consider all proposals. However, he's damn close to it in my book. If a can't-say-no deal crosses your desk that includes him, then you pull the trigger, but it would take one hell of a return for me to part with this kid. Talents like him, especially at that position, don't come around often.

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Keith - Seabrook
Cololaiacovo - Rozival
Hammar - Oduya


Pretty good. Leddy sucks and needs to go.
Coli = disaster. Yuck.

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Keith - Seabrook
Cololaiacovo - Rozival
Hammar - Oduya


Pretty good. Leddy sucks and needs to go.
not only would you make a mistake wiht trading Leddy and saying he sucks...

you want him replaced with Colaiacovo? That guy is bad and sucks + can't stay healthy.



Rozsival helped OEL a lot, something I really like

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Keith - Seabrook
Cololaiacovo - Rozival
Hammar - Oduya


Pretty good. Leddy sucks and needs to go.
Yeah...no.

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Dear god, go cheer for another team then. Unfortunately, you're a moron if you believe a team with Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Marian Hossa, Patrick Sharp, Dave Bolland, Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook is "mediocre" and you simply can't be helped. Calgary is a mediocre team, Winnipeg is a mediocre team, Tampa Bay is a medicore team.. Chicago is not. If you can't get over that fact, then go cheer for an actual mediocre team where your claims would be better received.

Buh-bye.
So because I am not happy with the team then I should go root for someone else?. It's because I am a fan and I care about the team that I am unhappy with a team that clearly isn't good enough not improving. You just proved you have no clue what a fan really is, a fan isn't someone who just sits then and goo YAY! all the time because, they are someone who is willing to be honest about their team, they will say so when things aren't right and right now they aren't right.

Yes the Hawks have some talented players, they also have some huge holes, which makes them mediocre, you not mentioning mediocre teams your mentioning bad team. No the Hawks aren't a bad team like the Oilers, the Leafs, the Lighting or the Islanders, but those are bad teams not mediocre teams.

MEDIOCRE - of only ordinary or moderate quality, neither good nor bad, not not satisfactory.

That is the Hawks, their aren't bad, but they aren't good either, and as a fan I am not satisfied with this team. So yes they are mediocre.

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Actually, he does improve the PK, has a great shot from the point so can be used on the PP, blocks shots and hits consistenly. It's clear you have never seen him play.

He avg'd 20+ mins in the playoffs for the Coyotes which was 3rd most on their team. But he's a bottom pairing Dman on a worse defensive team. In 15 playoff games I believe he had 31 blocked shots and 28 hits.

He is also our 3rd biggegst Dman now, behind Seabrook and Hjalmarsson (6'-2" 210lbs) which is above average for a defender.

***** just to *****, like usual.
Last years playoffs is a small sample size, during the regular season he was 6th in minutes. He was 5th on the PK in terms of TOI so he wasn't top 4, he played a total of 4 minutes of PP time despite his great shot. He had 62 hits in 54 games so just over 1 per game, not exactly a ton, if he was a Hawks he would have been 4th in hits and 5th in blocked shots. He is also 34 and on the decline in his career 3 years ago it might have been a good signing now, more of the same.

The fact that he would be our 3rd biggest defender is the issue, our D is small and weak.

Above average?
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...weight-and-age

He is exactly average, 6'2" 210, the average size of an NHL defensemen.

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Last years playoffs is a small sample size, during the regular season he was 6th in minutes. He was 5th on the PK in terms of TOI so he wasn't top 4, he played a total of 4 minutes of PP time despite his great shot. He had 62 hits in 54 games so just over 1 per game, not exactly a ton, if he was a Hawks he would have been 4th in hits and 5th in blocked shots. He is also 34 and on the decline in his career 3 years ago it might have been a good signing now, more of the same.

The fact that he would be our 3rd biggest defender is the issue, our D is small and weak.

Above average?
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...weight-and-age

He is exactly average, 6'2" 210, the average size of an NHL defensemen.
He was 5th in minutes, 2 whole seconds behind Klesla who averaged 19:22

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Like Oduya, people are overstating Roszi's ability and value. However, he is definitely better than Oduya and is the most worthy of our defenders to play on the 2nd pairing with Hammer. He'll be in 4th in minutes per game on this team unless Leddy really takes the next step (if he's here).

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i'm happy with this signing. 2 mil for 1 year is great.

I'd imagine our 2nd pairing will have Hjalmarsson as a mainstay with a rotation of Roszival, Oduya and Leddy on the other side... depending on who is performing.

Certainly does seem a bit confusing to have all of Hjalmarsson, Leddy, Oduya, Montador, Roszival and Brookbank for our bottom 4 and extra dman. It's not like last year when you have Montador, Lepisto, SOD and Scott and it's a little more clear what's going on with our bottom pairing...

2 of them will have to sit... I'd imagine it'll be Montador and Brookbank most of the time.

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I'm not a fan of Leddy on the third pair.

He's too skilled -- and way too perfect for our system -- to reduce his minutes. Defensive deficiencies be damned.

But definitely take him off the PK. There's still no excuse for that.

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Like Oduya, people are overstating Roszi's ability and value. However, he is definitely better than Oduya and is the most worthy of our defenders to play on the 2nd pairing with Hammer. He'll be in 4th in minutes per game on this team unless Leddy really takes the next step (if he's here).
Rozsival is not better than Oduya.

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I'm not a fan of Leddy on the third pair.

He's too skilled -- and way too perfect for our system -- to reduce his minutes. Defensive deficiencies be damned.

But definitely take him off the PK. There's still no excuse for that.
I agree with you on Leddy. I wish we had someone a little more physical, like a poor man's Seabrook, to pair him with.

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I agree with you on Leddy. I wish we had someone a little more physical, like a poor man's Seabrook, to pair him with.
Like Hjalmarsson before the Pominville hit?

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The people who wanna trade Leddy are clueless. He's 21 and has so much more to develop into. He will be a solid #3 for us in the future. Leddy has Keith and Seabrook to teach him the ropes of being a top defender in the league, not many young defenders are as lucky as him. Not to mention that he'll be learning a more defensive side from Seabs and a more offensive side/speed from Keith. Give him 2-3 more years.

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