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12-05-2012, 01:16 PM
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Maybe Howard can start juicing and get caught after he hits 60, and we win another WS?
If anything I think Ryan should get the name of Chooch's "Latin doctor"... maybe some Ritalin will keep him from forgetting that he is playing baseball instead of cricket.

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12-05-2012, 01:28 PM
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If anything I think Ryan should get the name of Chooch's "Latin doctor"... maybe some Ritalin will keep him from forgetting that he is playing baseball instead of cricket.
Maybe we could also give him a cricket bat?

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12-05-2012, 01:31 PM
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Except that he shouldn't be hitting in the 2 hole either. Guys who hit .250 with an OBP just over .300 should be at the bottom of the lineup, not the top. But Charlie won't move him from the leadoff spot.
It's not like the Phils have a ton of viable options for leadoff.

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12-05-2012, 01:43 PM
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It's not like the Phils have a ton of viable options for leadoff.
Last season it should have been Pierre.

As for Howard, perhaps he should get himself into shape and try to hit like he did in his first 2 seasons instead of just trying to pull the ball over the right field fence.

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It's not like the Phils have a ton of viable options for leadoff.
Victorino was a better option for the majority of his tenure, but Chollie showed no interest in making the switch.

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12-05-2012, 01:48 PM
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From MLB Trade Rumors:

•Troy Renck of the Denver post tweets that the Rockies are still trying to land a starting pitcher, but they'd need to be overwhelmed to move Dexter Fowler. They do like Phillies hurler Vance Worley, he notes in a separate tweet, though I imagine it'd take more than Worley to "overwhelm" them. Worley is reportedly available in trades.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/philad...OSdoVRI2vCj.99

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I am engorged at the thought.

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12-05-2012, 01:51 PM
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I liked this one:

•The Dodgers are "aggressively shopping" Juan Uribe in Nashville, but predictably aren't receiving much interest, writes Mark Saxon of ESPNLosAngeles.com. Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times tweets that when he asked an MLB official if the Yankees could have interest in Uribe with Alex Rodriguez out, he was met with a chuckle.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/philad...OSdoVRI2vCj.99

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Poor guy has to read that about himself... haha.

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12-05-2012, 02:20 PM
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I don't like Fowler's numbers away from Coor's Field.

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Would anyone be opposed of the Phillies decided to kick off a rebuild and moved guys like Utley, Rollins and Howard?

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12-05-2012, 02:26 PM
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Would anyone be opposed of the Phillies decided to kick off a rebuild and moved guys like Utley, Rollins and Howard?
I wouldn't, but they can't do it. They got the TV deal coming up.

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12-05-2012, 02:34 PM
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Trading Lee is a mistake.

Doc wasn't the same last year, Cole had his best year ever and Lee had a down year. If we want to seriously compete going forward, we need to keep Cole and Lee. Doc will be gone soon.

I'd like Upton, but not for Lee.
Lee didn't even really have a down year, though. He had some of the worst luck I've ever seen for a pitcher.

6-9 3.16 ERA and 207Ks? Come on.

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12-05-2012, 03:19 PM
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Lee didn't even really have a down year, though. He had some of the worst luck I've ever seen for a pitcher.

6-9 3.16 ERA and 207Ks? Come on.
I agree. Seemed like everytime he was up to pitch, the offense never showed up. Much like Hamels a few years ago

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12-05-2012, 04:28 PM
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Lee didn't even really have a down year, though. He had some of the worst luck I've ever seen for a pitcher.

6-9 3.16 ERA and 207Ks? Come on.
When was the last time a pitcher pitched 10 scoreless innings in a game and didn't get the win?

Just looking at some of Lee's tough luck last year

4/18: 10 IP, 0 ER, ND
5/15: 08 IP, 1 ER, ND
6/5: 7.2 IP, 2 ER, L
7/18: 08 IP, 1 ER, ND
9/23: 08 IP, 1 ER, L
9/28: 08 IP, 1 ER, ND

Lee went 6 innings and gave up 2 ER or less 17 times last year. He was 6-3 with 8 ND.

Compare that with Cole Hamels who arguably had one of his best seasons. He went 6 innings and gave up 2 ER or less 16 times last year. He was 11-1 with 4 ND.

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12-05-2012, 06:24 PM
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^ This. This is why I laugh in the face of anyone who even dares to say Cliff sucked last season

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AS PER WIKIPEDIA (so don't lose your minds)


"On December 5, 2012, Hamilton signed with the Phillies on a five year deal of 135 million dollars with a mutual option for 2019. A press conference will be held on December 6th to introduce the new Phillie."


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12-05-2012, 09:37 PM
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I wouldn't mind.

Besides the money of course

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Seriously doubt it

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Lee didn't even really have a down year, though. He had some of the worst luck I've ever seen for a pitcher.

6-9 3.16 ERA and 207Ks? Come on.
I get that entirely. That's why I say down and not bad. Still a good year, but not a great one.

Point is, we need him.

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12-05-2012, 10:58 PM
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"On December 5, 2012, Hamilton signed with the Phillies on a five year deal of 135 million dollars with a mutual option for 2019. A press conference will be held on December 6th to introduce the new Phillie."

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Joe Blanton signs with the Angels. 2 years, $15 million. I was never really a Blanton fan, although I did go crazy back when he hit that HR in the World Series.

So I guess that makes our rotation like this

Halladay
Hamels
Lee
Worley
Kendrick

Looks pretty solid. I'm not too thrilled about Kendrick but I guess I can't expect him to pitch like Cy Young when he's probably a 5th starter.

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12-06-2012, 07:16 AM
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I'm not too thrilled about Kendrick but I guess I can't expect him to pitch like Cy Young when he's probably a 5th starter.
He actually hasn't been that bad that last 2 years.

WIP was saying the Phils were close to dealing a reliever and a low level prospect for Young.

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7:10am: There are signs that Young would be willing to waive his no-trade rights and accept a move to Philadelphia, writes Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com.

12:55am: The Phillies' reported interest in Michael Young has picked up some steam, with Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reporting that the two sides are in "advanced talks."

In the proposed scenario, the Rangers would eat more than half of Young's $16MM salary to facilitate the trade, which would likely send a young Major League reliever and a low-level prospect back to the Rangers in exchange for the 36-year-old Young.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...ael-young.html

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Joe Blanton signs with the Angels. 2 years, $15 million. I was never really a Blanton fan, although I did go crazy back when he hit that HR in the World Series.

So I guess that makes our rotation like this

Halladay
Hamels
Lee
Worley
Kendrick

Looks pretty solid. I'm not too thrilled about Kendrick but I guess I can't expect him to pitch like Cy Young when he's probably a 5th starter.
Speculation that the phils are shopping Worley, if thats the case Kendricks slides up to number 4 and Cloyd is the 5th starter.

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12-06-2012, 07:20 AM
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Michael young would be nice. I've read they are interested in Ben Revere which I would Definitley like. Still young and under team control.

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I'm not really a fan of Young. I'd rather have Youkilis, but he might not come on a 1 year deal since teams are interested in him. I'd be ok with Young if they eat a lot of that salary, and the reliever is Lindblom or something. I think the bigger problem is that if he sucks, Charlie probably won't platoon him no matter how much he winds up sucking because he's a vet.

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He actually hasn't been that bad that last 2 years.

WIP was saying the Phils were close to dealing a reliever and a low level prospect for Young.

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A De Fratus (or other reliever) for Young and 8 million dollars is a solid deal imho. Young BP prospects is an area we are actually really strong in and in spite of other opinions here, a declining Young is still a more known commodity that a career-year Fransden. WAR also doesn't access the value of another high character veteran presence with extensive post-season experience.

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