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Edmonton rejects Oiler [Arena] bid for more taxpayer dollars

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09-24-2012, 07:59 PM
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Spector's Hockey is ranting about this on Twitter right now.

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Way to alienate one of the most devoted fan bases in the NHL, Mr Katz. And Commissioner Bettman stands by and just lets it happen.
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Oilers in '10-11 made over $17.3 million, sold out their arena despite having among the highest ticket prices in the NHL.
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09-24-2012, 08:01 PM
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Apparently, just last month Bettman bemoaned the very idea of moving the Islanders to Brooklyn because of THEIR devoted fanbase, but strangely, we hear nothing from him about Edmonton. Only threats. Good stuff.

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Out of his own mouth.
You mean a billionaire who is trying to fleece a city for hundreds of millions for a new arena is crying poor?

Never heard that before

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Katz is an greedy man. The evidence was there when he demanded for a non-compete clause from Northlands. He used his visit to the Copps Collesium as a threat tactic, now he's using his visit to Seattle to scare city council into giving into his demands.

Now even Stephen Mandel is questioning Katz's proposal. This is very telling because for years other council members critized and scrutinized the arena proposal while Mandel diligently defended Katz.

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But we were just told here they are losing money
How is that possible when spector just said they cleared 17 million

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Flyers writer Sam Carchidi went on a fairly ignorant spiel about Edmonton as well

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Bashing another fan base does nothing for the argument. Nice try, though.
Pointing out that Edmonton averaged roughly 16,839 fans per-game since the lockout and Phoenix averaged more than 3,000 fans less while having a lower ticket price does nothing for the argument that Edmonton cares more about hockey than Phoenix? Okay then...

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How does a saavy billionaire spend 200 million on a team that loses money? Moreover, he tried for years to buy the Oilers and kept bumping up his offer.

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The Jets paid to relocate and they owed nothing.
They were sold and moved.

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Flyers writer Sam Carchidi went on a fairly ignorant spiel about Edmonton as well

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If someone here said that...

But GKJ how many FA's does Edmonton get? And no, winning wont solve everything.

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Spector's Hockey is ranting about this on Twitter right now.





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You mean a billionaire who is trying to fleece a city for hundreds of millions for a new arena is crying poor?

Never heard that before
It's funny, but it's true. As for the BOG. The owners say they are losing money. I am in favour of Seattle but Egil is right at the end of the day. The NHL owners take tax money, move teams to bad places and then want the players and fans to pay.

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Flyers writer Sam Carchidi went on a fairly ignorant spiel about Edmonton as well

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"Edmonton is dreary, cold and in the middle of nowhere."

Wtf? Edmonton's one of the best cities in this country imo (probably second to Ottawa).

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They were sold and moved.
Yes, and part of the sale was a relocation fee that they did not have to pay.

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"Edmonton is dreary, cold and in the middle of nowhere."

Wtf? Edmonton's one of the best cities in this country imo (probably second to Ottawa).
Montreal
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Calgary

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Yes, and part of the sale was a relocation fee that they did not have to pay.
That was paid by the ATL ownership group. Katz will still own the team in Seattle

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If the Oilers move before Phoenix I'm done with hockey. A team that actually has a high ticket price and rabid fanbase could be on the verge of relocation, while the NHL does everything they can do to keep another team in a city where fans won't even go to games despite one of the lowest ticket prices in the league is absolutely ridiculous.

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And thats why I support the players. The owners risk is our tax money. Katz is trying to rob Edmonton but in seriousness they have to pay up because if nothing else this cements Calgary as the center of western Canada.
In terms of what?

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If the Oilers move before Phoenix I'm done with hockey. A team that actually has a high ticket price and rabid fanbase could be on the verge of relocation, while the NHL does everything they can do to keep another team in a city where fans won't even go to games despite one of the lowest ticket prices in the league is absolutely ridiculous.
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But GKJ how many FA's does Edmonton get? And no, winning wont solve everything.
Because free agency solves every problem.


Vancouver seems to do fine attracting free agents being a contending team in a Canadian market, by the way.

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In terms of what?
Business. Vancouver is nice but its not a top 3 business center in Canada. At least not for the white collar/banking(outside HSBC pacific) stuff.

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Because free agency solves every problem.


Vancouver seems to do fine attracting free agents being a contending team in a Canadian market, by the way.
Vancouver is 3rd largest city with a moderate climate and nice weather(albeit rainy). Edmonton is cold(not Saskatoon cold) but cold and heavy on snowfall. For me, I could care less but I can see why and FA would prefer LA, NY, Vancouver, Miami, Chicago, Philly, Boston, etc.

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Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary

All better.


That was paid by the ATL ownership group. Katz will still own the team in Seattle
Have you lived in all those cities? Do you have extensive knowledge of what they're currently like?

I get that people dont think Edmonton is very nice, and some of those opinions are based in reality. However, most people dont have a clue and theyve never even been in the city, so how can they judge?

Just off the top of my head, Montreal has issues of corruption and its infrastructure is falling apart (literally). From what Ive heard, great place to visit or live temporarily, not a good place to work. Vancouver has some of the worst traffic imaginable, ridiculously high prices to live, and the excessive cloud cover causes a lot of people to become depressed (im assuming that's S.A.D. related). I personally love Calgary, although lots of transplants that move there complain that it has a very white collar feel, and people come off as very *******.

Now to be honest, Id love to live in all those cities, at least for a while, but they all have their shortcomings. Edmonton has a lot of bonuses too. You can make 6 figures with very little education working in Northern Alberta.

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Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary

All better.
I disagree with the second two, but that's just my opinion. Montreal would be #1 if Quebec wasn't insane.

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That was paid by the ATL ownership group. Katz will still own the team in Seattle
It was paid by TNSE who purchased Atlanta and then moved them to Winnipeg who is nowhere close to another franchise and hence should've owed nothing.

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So let me get this straight...Jim Balsillie cannot buy a team that's bleeding money and move it to a new city that would be profitable, but Katz can move a team from a profitable city that's well supported to an untested market?

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Flyers writer Sam Carchidi went on a fairly ignorant spiel about Edmonton as well

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Is this guy a credible media guy in Philly? Cause to me he sounds like he has no idea what he's actually talking about and is going on a completely unnecesary rant that has nothing to do with anything on the arena.

Maybe an attempt at some attention? lol...

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Is this guy a credible media guy in Philly? Cause to me he sounds like he has no idea what he's actually talking about and is going on a completely unnecesary rant that has nothing to do with anything on the arena.
Depends how you define 'credible.' He works for a news publication. He does not command respect based on his work/opinions.

He's the guy Mike Richards refused to take questions from after games.

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