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10-16-2012, 12:22 PM
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Ahhhhhhh this is very positive news! Fehr, do the right thing mother****er!

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10-16-2012, 12:24 PM
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I'm not a business guy, but how is going from 57 to 50 not a rollback?
It is, but there apparently is something in the proposal that would return whatever is lost on their salaries for existing contracts.

This is the type of offer that ultimately gets a deal done. Very significant day today.

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10-16-2012, 12:25 PM
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THere is this...

Is a “radically different” proposal from the players on the way?


http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...rs-on-the-way/

By radically different, do they mean asking for more money? That should get the deal done!
Nice.... I would be very curious to see the radically different proposal where the salary cap is removed and the players would get even more money!!!! The owners would be fools to turn it down

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10-16-2012, 12:34 PM
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It is, but there apparently is something in the proposal that would return whatever is lost on their salaries for existing contracts.

This is the type of offer that ultimately gets a deal done. Very significant day today.
I'm sorry but I guess I'm not a negative nellie on the board. Or at least until further notice. I believe a deal when I see it. I'm not any more optimistic today then I was last week when I checked in.

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10-16-2012, 02:48 PM
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if this deal gets agreed to, no chance Bernier gets traded. In a condensed 82 game schedule, backup goalies will be crucial meaning our backup will need to play at least 25 games. I'd rather that guy be Bernier than Jones

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10-16-2012, 03:06 PM
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Big news, good to see the 50/50 which is fair for both sides. GET ER DONE

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10-16-2012, 03:20 PM
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if this deal gets agreed to, no chance Bernier gets traded. In a condensed 82 game schedule, backup goalies will be crucial meaning our backup will need to play at least 25 games. I'd rather that guy be Bernier than Jones
I could see Bernier getting in as much as 30 starts this season. Good thing Lombardi didn't make a rash decision to satisfy a disgruntled player. He'll earn his opportunity and hopefully drive up his value and create a demand for him next season.

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10-16-2012, 03:33 PM
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The last lockout the two sides didn't even start talking until December. Very different this time around. League doing too well to sacrifice a season.

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10-16-2012, 03:53 PM
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Much like politicians do when laws need to be passed I have to believe the 50-50 was given as a great PR move and then a bunch of little stuff that helps the owners that the players do not want is in there. This is a great move by the owners, if a deal doesn't get done the blame goes solely to the players since everybody believes the 50-50 thing was the main hold up. I'll be expecting some pretty nice jabs about the language of the deal by the NHLPA tomorrow, nothing gets done that easy.

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10-16-2012, 04:00 PM
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The framework of an agreed deal is all but contained within the league's finished proposal. Everyone knew 50/50 would be the eventual split. The owners are "blinking first" but that's what it takes. They have too much to lose this time around.

As long as Fehr doesn't have some ulterior, egomaniacal principle to prove here, I don't see any reason both sides don't reach an agreement within a week or so.

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10-16-2012, 04:21 PM
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What I am curious is if this new proposal is accepted, will the schedule pick up where it left off November 2? I just hope they don't convert the non-cancelled games into preseason games. I will be some angry if I am left with 3 tickets for the Oilers/Habs on Nov. 1.

The other thing I wonder is are the Kings going to be shafted with the late season games? I foresee some early afternoon/late morning starts to work around the NBA. I'd assume the Lakers and Clippers have already secured their playoff dates at Staples Center. I assume with the uncertainty of the NHL season, the Kings have not.

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10-16-2012, 04:36 PM
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The framework of an agreed deal is all but contained within the league's finished proposal. Everyone knew 50/50 would be the eventual split. The owners are "blinking first" but that's what it takes. They have too much to lose this time around.

As long as Fehr doesn't have some ulterior, egomaniacal principle to prove here, I don't see any reason both sides don't reach an agreement within a week or so.
This is what scares me. Fehr flat out said that this is a great starting point. Unless the players budge heavily in the next 5-9 days, this lockout will basically kill this season.

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10-16-2012, 04:53 PM
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This is what scares me. Fehr flat out said that this is a great starting point. Unless the players budge heavily in the next 5-9 days, this lockout will basically kill this season.
Fehr does what the players tell him to do.

I read Fehr's statement as there is more room to talk. That is good.

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10-16-2012, 05:03 PM
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Fehr does what the players tell him to do.

I read Fehr's statement as there is more room to talk. That is good.
That's funny cuz when I read his statement I immediately thought he was talking about the collection of beastiality DVD's Bettman sent him. Bettman better pony up some of his good pony porn movies if he expects to save the season now.

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10-16-2012, 05:08 PM
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Fehr does what the players tell him to do.

I read Fehr's statement as there is more room to talk. That is good.
I think Fehr is directing the PA more than following. I think I can get you 6% raises for the next 3 years. Should I go for that?

If he is taking this offer as one end and the players offer as the other end in the effort to meet half way then we have a long wait ahead of us. The 50/50 split was the NHL goal. Now they are fighting for 54% and that could get ugly

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10-16-2012, 05:10 PM
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good stuff. Atleast the schedules won't be as compact as i thought it would. It will end in late-April.

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10-16-2012, 05:39 PM
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Bernier wouldn't care if he gets played, so I think it would be a win-win for both him and the Kings.

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10-16-2012, 05:53 PM
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I think Fehr is directing the PA more than following. I think I can get you 6% raises for the next 3 years. Should I go for that?

If he is taking this offer as one end and the players offer as the other end in the effort to meet half way then we have a long wait ahead of us. The 50/50 split was the NHL goal. Now they are fighting for 54% and that could get ugly
Remember Goodenow got fired for directiing more than following.


We'll see what comes out of this

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10-16-2012, 07:00 PM
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Remember Goodenow got fired for directiing more than following.


We'll see what comes out of this
Goodenow got fired for losing a year and then losing the contract. Fehr has already changed the "opening offer" to what the NHL wanted as the final offer. Now it is about convincing the players he can get more.

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10-16-2012, 07:37 PM
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If the players don't take this I have lost all respect for them.

Without my employer I do not have the job I do, I could get a lower tiered job away from my home for less money. This is the same for a majority of the players. Only a few can gamble on the big bucks from the KHL and SEL etc. They are really nothing without their mother the NHL employing them, flying them first class, putting them up in nice hotels, etc.

These guys are fighting for a few hundred thousand a year on top end contracts. Are they not thinking of the poor dad or mom making 30 to 50 grand a year now unemployed and fighting to put food on the table because the rinks etc have layer them off. Holy crap by a Nissan GTR instead of a Ferrari and get your spoiled hand fed ***** back to work.

Think of the fans, a lot of us cant really afford to dish out for increasingly expensive tickets, parking, merchandise, food, beverages etc. how bout you apologize to us, and cut prices this year for both parties stupidity.

As for Fehr and Bettman. In what other business are you given a target years in advance, giving the heads up there will be a massive fight to renegotiate, know that people will lose jobs in a lockout situation, then decide to wait to after the last minute to start negotiating and have the balls to throw out an out of this world offer that can't even be based as something to negotiate from. In the real world you would have both been fired the day the contract expired, especially with both your past histories.

Just get the season started, I need something to help my pissy mood

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10-16-2012, 07:38 PM
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I'm going to have to see the bullets in this before bowing to the owners. Hopefully Fehr isn't offended by the losses that are undoubtably in there.

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good news i guess but i thought 50/50 was already on the table form the owners........

no wonder this ****storm is taking forever.

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good news i guess but i thought 50/50 was already on the table form the owners........

no wonder this ****storm is taking forever.
No, this was always the estimated landing spot. Owners are expiditing things here.

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Woooow check this out. Series of tweets from Bobby Mac. I love this from the NHL.


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One of most interesting aspects of NHL proposal is aimed at punishing clubs more than players, with regard to existing back-diving deals. Any existing deal in excess of 5 yrs would carry cap hit in every year of contract, even if player were to retire with year(s) left. In other words, the benefit clubs thought they were getting by reducing AAV with back-diving deals/bogus end yrs would be reduced/negated.

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The floor for this season would be $43.9M and cap would be $59.9M altho in Year 1 teams could still spend to $70.2M but only in Year 1.
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Not only is NHL proposing 5 year limit on player contract length, it's proposing the yearly salary variance can't be more than 5 per cent. In other words, a multi-year deal with an AAV of $10M would on a year by year basis not go up or down by more than $500K. That 5 year term limit and the 5 per cent variance restriction are aimed at eliminating back-diving contracts, a primary NHL concern.
The NHL is finally going to make teams that shell out huge contracts and then back end the deals with low numbers responsible for it.

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10-16-2012, 11:34 PM
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minnesota and new jersey lol if this happens

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