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11-26-2012, 04:49 PM
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Burmi is listed at 6'1 and 180 lbs, but he looked lighter than that to me last year. I wonder whether a little more beef would inspire him to play less of a perimeter game. Scheifele put on the weight and it looks to have helped his overall game a lot.
The IceCaps weighed him in at 175 this season.

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11-26-2012, 05:06 PM
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The IceCaps weighed him in at 175 this season.

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Just don't get that, 175 for three seasons and management has yet to tell him to bulk up, nowadays 175 is light for midget.

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11-26-2012, 09:53 PM
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Burmistrov is going to be a very good hockey player and a pivotal part of the Jets core group for years to come. Some of you just need some patience.
I hope so. But most criticisms of Burmi have been pretty mild so far. Most have echoed the same sentiment that he was needlessly rush into the NHL and would have benefited for more time in the OHL and time in St.Johns. Most posters have kept a pretty open mind regarding Burmi, including myself.

The one concern I have is that so often he seems to play with blinders on. This is in sharp contrast to Scheif who's real strength is his vision and feel for the game.

My long term call for Burmi is that he evolves into shutdown defensive specialist. He is already a great penalty killer, he is a good skater with nice speed and he has quick hands. A valuable part of any team.

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11-27-2012, 12:11 AM
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Burmistrov is going to be a very good hockey player and a pivotal part of the Jets core group for years to come. Some of you just need some patience.
That is not bunk to me! I am in the wait it out crowd...

You cannot teach that kind of skill, it is off the charts. Will he learn how to play the elite game? Maybe, maybe not, but there were many wanting to give up on Bogosian after some ups and some downs.

Someone mentioned he cannot be trusted, but I actually see an elite penalty killer in that kid - you don't have someone kill penalties that you can't trust. Can skate, can force the play, is physically solid when initiating contact (albeit a little recklessly at times!)...makings of a really good forecheck, backcheck, penalty killing demon. Do we really need to slot our guys into terms like top 6 or bust? So what if he was taken high first round as a scorer. So was Mike Ricci (to name one), and many others that turned into tremendous players throughout their careers.

I would love to see us develop 9-12 forwards and kinda be like the Kings. Burmi has to be able to be one of those in this organization, no? Sorry guys...long rant

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11-27-2012, 01:51 AM
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I don't want to start a debate...I was simply proving a point. Also, this is minor league hockey...not the soft NHL. Every team has fighters.
100 percent agree Monster,but with Jets management and miss Keith coaching id expect much the same or less then last year,tons of cheapshots and players hurt due to getting hit or playing roles they anit meant for

Im sickof hearing the NHL vision of fans you dont need fighters what good are they playoffs,the point is you need them to keep your team healthy and free from getting run over and beat down by March,will a fighter play in April and May no as its not as much fighting then.

The people that say Icecaps dont need toughness are people who either dont watch a game nor sit in Mile One paying 1200 bucks to watch visiting teams running over players with little or no fear.Brumistrov last game was hacked jumped slashed speared all by a tough Bruin,why cause frankly no one on St.John's will do anything nor intimidate a fly,and if they try and fight they look at Keith for permission.

Monster they will change their tone when Brumistrov or Teligin get put out matter of time both are run at every game with no responce.Thats my rant on it but in the end its Winnipegs call,but to say toughness dont win well last few nhl teams were tougher then 7 canadian teams combined,and Norfolk last year very tough,go look at Syracuse this year tough and shocker in 1st

Chevy addressed it in are media last year you wanna be tough or win, Chevy last i checked neither big club nor ahl club won,and the Icecaps prob were embarrassed in the 3rd round worse then the 1992 Isles vs Rangers

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11-27-2012, 09:44 AM
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Remember Evgeny Davydov? Burmi kind of reminds me of him - obvious skill, but not really sure what he's doing with it.

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11-27-2012, 10:20 AM
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Remember Evgeny Davydov? Burmi kind of reminds me of him - obvious skill, but not really sure what he's doing with it.
I remember him , Kevin Cheveldayoff is the illegitimate hockey love child of Tim Cheveldae and Evgeny Davydov , isn't he?

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11-27-2012, 10:35 AM
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Just don't get that, 175 for three seasons and management has yet to tell him to bulk up, nowadays 175 is light for midget.
The thing is, I don't find it affecting his play all that much. I don't notice him being light on his skates, nor is he scared to go in corners and battle it out or hit people.

In fact he takes way too many boarding penalties IMO.

I'd have to see it actually affecting his play. I find the fact there's a lack of production due to a lack of linemates who can finish his plays more than guys are bodying him out of a play.

Or are you noticing differently?

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11-27-2012, 10:53 AM
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The thing is, I don't find it affecting his play all that much. I don't notice him being light on his skates, nor is he scared to go in corners and battle it out or hit people.

In fact he takes way too many boarding penalties IMO.

I'd have to see it actually affecting his play. I find the fact there's a lack of production due to a lack of linemates who can finish his plays more than guys are bodying him out of a play.

Or are you noticing differently?
Did you watch him manhandled off the puck in Winnipeg last season, name a lighter NHL center.

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11-27-2012, 11:04 AM
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Did you watch him manhandled off the puck in Winnipeg last season, name a lighter NHL center.
I definitely agree that the kid could gain some pounds. Although, I've always been impressed by his ability to stay on the puck, as well as his aggressiveness given his weight.

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11-27-2012, 11:16 AM
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I definitely agree that the kid could gain some pounds. Although, I've always been impressed by his ability to stay on the puck, as well as his aggressiveness given his weight.
He is tough, I'll give him that, but the NHL is still a man's league where 200 lb. forwards are knocked off the puck pretty easily by D men that average around 220 lbs.

Would like to see a sports guy grade the Ice Caps roster (as they have done with the Jets) at the 20 or 25 game mark.

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11-27-2012, 11:35 AM
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Burmistrov is going to be a very good hockey player and a pivotal part of the Jets core group for years to come. Some of you just need some patience.
I am still on the Burmi band wagon.

He is already an elite defensive players and he scored at a similar rate to Little last year. Considering his age and how little many of his 2010 draft year peers have done, it isn't time to panic.


As for his numbers...


Many of you guys give me crap saying that numbers aren't everything and they surely aren't here. The Ice Caps whole top line has had the same kind of crummy puck luck that hit Wheeler last year.

Burmi, Maxwell & Machacek have combined for 133 SOG. That should equate to somewhere around 15 goals and a ton of assists (based on league averages and on these guy's historic production), but only have 6 goals to show for it.

That cannot and will not continue over an extended period.


His size...


Burmi definitely can use a little mass. He is very strong on his skates, but he is tiny and apparently his ribs are plainly visible. Not sure what he can do to add mass, but more weight wouldn't hurt.

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11-27-2012, 12:23 PM
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For Burmi discussions I made a thread and put a loooot of info on him showing how he isn't doing that bad really, just some bad luck. Plus I showed his progression and other things (ex: someone who has similar pts progression in both OHL and NHL).
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...9#post56060809
I'll be adding some more stuff later when time.

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Whitmore has been released. Too bad, he could possibly been the shooter Burmi needs.


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For Burmi discussions I made a thread and put a loooot of info on him showing how he isn't doing that bad really, just some bad luck. Plus I showed his progression and other things (ex: someone who has similar pts progression in both OHL and NHL).
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...9#post56060809
I'll be adding some more stuff later when time.
I'll be doing another AIH Ice Caps update in a couple days, will talk about it a little there too. May make a separate post to talk people off the ledge.



This lockout sucks.



So many people want to sell on all of our players now.

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11-27-2012, 01:42 PM
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http://stjohnsicecaps.com/article/ic...more-from-pto/

Derek Whitmore's try-out contract has been terminated.

Not surprising considering they still have 16 forwards with the IceCaps right now.

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11-27-2012, 01:47 PM
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Did you watch him manhandled off the puck in Winnipeg last season, name a lighter NHL center.
That's the thing. I never saw him actually get "manhandled" with any level of regularity. He has great balance on his skates and throws the body around.

I haven't seen him get "manhandled" in the AHL either.

As a matter of fact I've seen Wheeler fall over more and I wouldn't call him getting "manhandled" either.

I think you're seeing what you want to see. If it said 195, would you just call him weak? Or would you look elsewhere for answers as to why he's not scoring with much regularity?

Not that I don't think he can add a few pounds, but weight doesn't look like his issue.

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11-27-2012, 03:37 PM
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That's the thing. I never saw him actually get "manhandled" with any level of regularity. He has great balance on his skates and throws the body around.

I haven't seen him get "manhandled" in the AHL either.

As a matter of fact I've seen Wheeler fall over more and I wouldn't call him getting "manhandled" either.

I think you're seeing what you want to see. If it said 195, would you just call him weak? Or would you look elsewhere for answers as to why he's not scoring with much regularity?

Not that I don't think he can add a few pounds, but weight doesn't look like his issue.
Ladd falls down a lot too.

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That's the thing. I never saw him actually get "manhandled" with any level of regularity. He has great balance on his skates and throws the body around.
And when he did get "manhandled," it sure did lead to a Jets power play more often than you'd expect...

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Derek Whitmore's try-out contract has been terminated.
I don't understand this release, given the fact that he only played 7 games and had some pretty good offense. The Icecaps need goals right now and Whitmore's offensive potential is much higher then some 2nd liners on this team.

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I don't understand this release, given the fact that he only played 7 games and had some pretty good offense. The Icecaps need goals right now and Whitmore's offensive potential is much higher then some 2nd liners on this team.
He may have asked to be released considering he had a Euro immediately.

I was surprised how little TOI he got too, especially considering how they've struggled to score, but the Caps have more veterans than they are allowed to dress any given night.... and it seems they have their guys.

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He may have asked to be released considering he had a Euro immediately.

I was surprised how little TOI he got too, especially considering how they've struggled to score, but the Caps have more veterans than they are allowed to dress any given night.... and it seems they have their guys.
I don't like all of their current Vet rule guys and thought the release of Sutherby was another bad move.

And this is coming from a guy that loves what Heisinger has done in the past. (Moose days)

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I don't like all of their current Vet rule guys and thought the release of Sutherby was another bad move.

And this is coming from a guy that loves what Heisinger has done in the past. (Moose days)
What the star Aaron "should be in the NHL" Gagnon is not getting it done? Who would have possibly seen that coming? Oh yeah, everybody should have...

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What the star Aaron "should be in the NHL" Gagnon is not getting it done? Who would have possibly seen that coming? Oh yeah, everybody should have...
What a bust he's been this season. Would of much rather had Sutherby, especially after the pre-season he had.

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What a bust he's been this season. Would of much rather had Sutherby, especially after the pre-season he had.
Is Gagnon a vet rule guy?

His 1 way NHL deal has to sting.

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Is Gagnon a vet rule guy?

His 1 way NHL deal has to sting.
Yup, I gotta check the rules but I am thinking it's something like 300 pro games to qualify. And the good news is that the NHL is locked out, therefore he was forced to sign a new contract with St. John's (well he wasn't forced, but he chose to), so I think it is extremely unlikely the Jets are pissing away 500K on his poor play at even the AHL level. Probably making something more in line with what he should be paid, like 125K.

Here it is from theahl.com...

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What is the AHL's development rule?
In the AHL, player development is a top priority. The American Hockey League and the Professional Hockey Players' Association have the following development rule in place for the 2012-13 season:
Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a regular-season game, at least 13 must be qualified as "development players." Of those 13, 12 must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL, IHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season.
Gagnon had 285 AHL games and 28 NHL games at the start of the year. So he at least falls under the 260-320 category. Of note Spencer Machacek falls under that category as well, so he is taking that one spot in reality every game, making Gagnon one of the "true" veterans.


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