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12-13-2012, 08:11 PM
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Holden: at this point, I'd have to agree with your assessement of KHL vs AHL - the IceCaps can't buy a goal, and have hands of stone at this point. My ONLY worry: east-west vs north-south, and his potential fit into what the Jets want out of him when he'd return. I still think it might be worth the gamble, but I hightly doubt that they'd allow it, if for no other reason than they owe the IceCaps and the fans a player of his calibre, given that he's avaible.

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Holden: at this point, I'd have to agree with your assessement of KHL vs AHL - the IceCaps can't buy a goal, and have hands of stone at this point. My ONLY worry: east-west vs north-south, and his potential fit into what the Jets want out of him when he'd return. I still think it might be worth the gamble, but I hightly doubt that they'd allow it, if for no other reason than they owe the IceCaps and the fans a player of his calibre, given that he's avaible.
Agreed with different style argument.

What I don't agree with is that the Jets "owe" the IceCaps absolutely anything. The IceCaps exist for one reason only. That is to develop players for the Jets. Doesn't matter how much it might help the IceCaps, if it's in the best interests of the Jets, then that's what you do. Winning and losing means absolutely nothing for the IceCaps, so long as they are developing our players right. Sometimes that means adding a veteran or two to ensure competitiveness and for leadership, sometimes it means turning away top end players to allow them to develop better somewhere else or to allow more icetime for prospects for the Jets in the AHL. It was the same with Manitoba Moose when they were Canucks farm team. They are not intentionally trying to screw IceCaps obviously, but the primary job is to develop players, and if it's better an important asset to play elsewhere, then he plays elsewhere. End of story, IMO.

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12-14-2012, 02:43 PM
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Now I'll preface this by saying that I'll follow and cheer for the Jets once this lockout ends, and will wish them and you folks well, but I am predominantly a fan of any AHL team with St. John's on their crest.

Having said this I'd be concerned about how poorly your prospects are playing.

Klingberg is great at making a dramatic rush into the other end and then either coughing it up or making a ham fisted shot.

Mahachek looked a lot better last season, his effort is not consistent at all. It's as if he couldn't be bothered to play at this level anymore.

Maxwell and Gagnon are basically invisible.

Postma is being outshined in all aspects of his game by Redmond, who in my mind is the one bright light in the top tier prospects. Honestly, Ramsey looks as good as Postma.

Melchiori crunched a bunch of bodies last week and looks like his adjusting to the speed of the game.

I am hoping that TSNE going forward does better drafting than Atlanta did

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12-14-2012, 04:01 PM
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Now I'll preface this by saying that I'll follow and cheer for the Jets once this lockout ends, and will wish them and you folks well, but I am predominantly a fan of any AHL team with St. John's on their crest.

Having said this I'd be concerned about how poorly your prospects are playing.

Klingberg is great at making a dramatic rush into the other end and then either coughing it up or making a ham fisted shot.

Mahachek looked a lot better last season, his effort is not consistent at all. It's as if he couldn't be bothered to play at this level anymore.

Maxwell and Gagnon are basically invisible.

Postma is being outshined in all aspects of his game by Redmond, who in my mind is the one bright light in the top tier prospects. Honestly, Ramsey looks as good as Postma.

Melchiori crunched a bunch of bodies last week and looks like his adjusting to the speed of the game.

I am hoping that TSNE going forward does better drafting than Atlanta did
Postma is putting up points at a better rate than everyone by Jaffs so far this year. He has some solid offensive abilities, by I agree that he isn't a well rounded prospect.

I think I said this elsewhere, but the only current IceCaps that I am counting on are:

Postma - Soft minutes PP specialist, mostly valuable as trade bait.
Redmond - Bottom pairing defender with a shot at becoming a number 4.
Telegin - Hopefully he can make it as a middle 6 player, don't know yet.
Cormier - Servicable 4th line defensive centre, maybe maybe maybe a 3?
Machacek - An okay 4th line winger. Thorburn 2.0?
Pasquale - Backup goalie or better in a year or two.
Klingberg - Possible depth forward / energy player? He needs more time.

Not really an exciting group.

Anything else from anybody else would be a welcome surprise. Melchiori and O'Dell?

Crazy thing is Redmond, Postma, Machacek and Cormier are close to graduating. That will leave the rock pretty bare. It will be interesting to see who replaces them next year? Adam Lowry, Zach Yuen and maybe Mark Scheifele will be coming out of the CHL, but not much else. I can't remember who is winding up in the NCAA, Vinny Saponari and maybe Jordan Samuels-Thomas?

The system isn't fixed and it won't be for a few year (assuming strong drafting) unless they don't graduate anyone. Developing the NHL youngsters (Kane, Bogo and Burmi) is going to be the key for this team.

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12-14-2012, 04:18 PM
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Remember when I said the IceCaps puck luck had to change?
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...ps-ahl-tracker

Well, I am still singing the same song, but I added a couple new verses.
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/iceca...icecaps-review

Yucky IceCaps stat:
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If you take the worst of the worst -- Ben Maxwell, Alex Burmistrov, Ivan Telegin, Will O'Neill, Dean Arsene, Derek Whitmore, Aaron Gagnon and Ben Chiarot have all played big minutes that don't match their production value. This group has poured 260 shots on net; almost a third of the IceCaps 788 SOG, but they only have 6 goals to show for it. This equates to a gawd-awful 2.31 shooting percentage. W.T.F.?


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12-14-2012, 04:39 PM
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It will be interesting to see who replaces them next year? Adam Lowry, Zach Yuen and maybe Mark Scheifele will be coming out of the CHL, but not much else. I can't remember who is winding up in the NCAA, Vinny Saponari and maybe Jordan Samuels-Thomas?
Dunno who'd actually end up there but some possibilities are:
Mark Scheifele
Adam Lowry
Austen Brassard
Yasin Cisse
Jordan Samuels-Thomas
Vinny Saponari
Zach Yuen
Cody Sol (technically because he's ECHL)
Christopher Carrozi (see Sol)
Lukas Sutter (late '93 bday, unless sent back as over ager)

I'm not 100% on the rules so Holden will have to confirm


Edit: just noticed something
Brassard (RW)
Cisse (RW)
Saponari (RW)
with Machacek already on the rock (or maybe in the NHL), Kosmachuk would become our only non-pro natural RWer prospect.


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12-14-2012, 10:36 PM
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If you take the worst of the worst -- Ben Maxwell, Alex Burmistrov, Ivan Telegin, Will O'Neill, Dean Arsene, Derek Whitmore, Aaron Gagnon and Ben Chiarot have all played big minutes that don't match their production value. This group has poured 260 shots on net; almost a third of the IceCaps 788 SOG, but they only have 6 goals to show for it. This equates to a gawd-awful 2.31 shooting percentage. W.T.F.?
That is ridiculously bad.

I really wish the AHL had better stats tracking - there has to be a better reason for the extremely poor SH% than simply bad puck luck. Where the shots are taken from, etc.

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That is ridiculously bad.

I really wish the AHL had better stats tracking - there has to be a better reason for the extremely poor SH% than simply bad puck luck. Where the shots are taken from, etc.
Even if they were taking shots from the blue line, the numbers should be better. Defensemen who shoot from the point usually convert on 6+% of their shots.

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Even if they were taking shots from the blue line, the numbers should be better. Defensemen who shoot from the point usually convert on 6+% of their shots.
So, they simply suck?

It just doesn't make sense - I'm agreeing with you: simply throwing pucks at the net from anywhere on the ice will typically result in a higher SH% than they're currently acheiving. Ugly.

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So, they simply suck?

It just doesn't make sense - I'm agreeing with you: simply throwing pucks at the net from anywhere on the ice will typically result in a higher SH% than they're currently acheiving. Ugly.
Yeah. It should. Truly mind boggling.

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12-15-2012, 12:21 AM
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So, they simply suck?

It just doesn't make sense - I'm agreeing with you: simply throwing pucks at the net from anywhere on the ice will typically result in a higher SH% than they're currently acheiving. Ugly.
Ya... even Byfuglien's shooting from centre ice has better sh% than that...

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12-15-2012, 06:35 PM
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Haha. They're busting on the anthem singers.

"Oh, Santa needs to bring Springfield a new PA system."
"Yeah, and she needs to step on the gas a little."

I'm getting an MST3K vibe from Brian Rogers and his cohort tonight. They're just commenting on anything and everything right now.


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What return could we realistically get for Postma? I'm thinking we'd have to put him in a package to really entice another team. Who needs PP help on the point?

I really think Redmond will be the Jets' #5-6 guy as I think his game is more well-rounded. Of all the Jets' problems PP help on the right side of the point is definitely not one of them.

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12-16-2012, 02:04 PM
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Haha you really gotta love that radio guy we're always listening to

At the national anthems right now in Providence, the audio signal of the singers can't be reached. So you only hear the girls (?) singing in his own microphone far away in the background and he and his buddy try to sing both anthems like reading a poem

That was hilarious

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Boom and the Ice Caps score in the first minute of the game. Sawada snapped it towards the net and it got deflected (luckily) by a Bruins defender. 1-0

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they changed it to Gagnon from Sawada and Postma. Seems like it bounced of Gagnon not the defender. Gagnons first goal of the season after 19.


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dex has made some strong saves

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Dekanich has improved remarkably as the season progressed.

IceCaps are rolling through providence

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4-0?! Great work by the IceCaps so far - someone on the 'Caps just rang one off the crossbar too.

Puck luck turning around? That would be nice.

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We scored 4?!

With some on the powerplay?!

Who is this team?

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4-0?! Great work by the IceCaps so far - someone on the 'Caps just rang one off the crossbar too.

Puck luck turning around? That would be nice.
It's still kind of comical because 2/4 goals came from those who actually been having good puck luck (Postma and Gregoire), 1 with terrible (Gagnon) and one with avg (Machacek)...

So really the puck luck hasn't changed much lol

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It's still kind of comical because 2/4 goals came from those who actually been having good puck luck (Postma and Gregoire), 1 with terrible (Gagnon) and one with avg (Machacek)...

So really the puck luck hasn't changed much lol
Well, Wheeler scored his first goal 19 games in too, so maybe Gagnon will go on a 50-60pt tear now.


Or not.

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Good to see Spencer add a goal to his tally.

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If you look up the Caps facebook page, you'll see last nights highlights against Springfield. You'll see Schnell's fight. Today the Providence pest was as quiet as a mouse. Lets hope Schnell stays up for a long time

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Any word on Burmi?? I thought he would just be out a couple games. I'm starting to worry!

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Let me guess, another afternoon game? Glad to see they got the first dominant win of the season, but I really wanted to listen to the game.

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