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10-02-2012, 09:39 PM
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I want to bet money with the guy guaranteeing that Veilleux is going to be an NHLer next season. The guy hasn't played hockey again for another year, and coming off a major knee injury this time. Who ****ing knows what he's going to look like this season. I'll be happy if he can stay healthy for half a season this time and puts up a .5 ppg average.
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Veilleux has played 104 games over the course of the last 4 seasons and is iffy to start this year on time. It would take a serious bout of health for him to have any future with the Pens considering his contract is up after this season and they aren't going to hold a contract spot open forever for a guy that projects at best as a decent 3rd-liner. Yeah he has a nice blend of size and skill but he's played like 30% of the possible games over a 4-year span and the NHL is only going to be more physical.

It'd be nice if he turned out well, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

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Tantalizing tools, but you must be pretty sure about the guy. Seems like a real longshot considering all his injury troubles and his un-Bylsma bottom 6 skillset.

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Cool. I'll gladly eat crow if you're right.
I'll save you the suspense. You won't have to. In fact if I was Bill Gates, I'd bet my entire life savings on it.

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I'll save you the suspense. You won't have to. In fact if I was Bill Gates, I'd bet my entire life savings on it.
How much of the WBS games Veilleux's played have you actually watched? And not read how many games played he has on hockeydb? Because I've watched all of them

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People have tried pegging Veilleux as a bottom 6 center. He hasn't been able to play that type of game in the AHL while staying healthy, let alone in the NHL. Love the guy's skill, and the package he brings as a whole, but I have serious reservations about him becoming and NHL'er.

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Hasn't he mainly been used as a winger?

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How much of the WBS games Veilleux's played have you actually watched? And not read how many games played he has on hockeydb? Because I've watched all of them
Normally I would agree with statements like this, but until the guy can actually play a whole healthy season, he has ZERO chance to make the Penguins team.

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How much of the WBS games Veilleux's played have you actually watched? And not read how many games played he has on hockeydb? Because I've watched all of them
How many games did you watch him play last year? Believe it or not, playing time is pretty crucial for a player's development and you need a lot more than just being some big dude with a lot of skill. I think everyone realizes what kind of potential Veilleux has, but it's always been one big obstacle after another for him and everyone has realized it's taken a huge toll on him.

And if you've seen every-game, then how about you provide us with some details about why you'd make such a claim? Seriously, I appreciate what you do here and the coverage you provide for WBS. But I could have my nephew watch every game he's played, and I'm probably not going to trust his opinion.

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How much of the WBS games Veilleux's played have you actually watched? And not read how many games played he has on hockeydb? Because I've watched all of them
I don't need to watch any. He hasn't been able to stay healthy for one. Secondly, there are already a bunch of players on the depth chart above him. Thirdly, Shero always signs bottom 6 grinders before each season. Fourthly, Bylsma doesn't like playing rookies.

I mean honestly, how can you possibly think he'll be here next season? That's just an absurd opinion. It will literally never happen. The only way he's in the NHL next season is if we get hit with the injury bug again like the past two seasons... only multiply it by two or three.

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If KV stays healthy, he will no doubt get a shot this season, if there is a season and all.

There really isn't much depth at fwd for him to leapfrog.

I'm struggling to think of who gets the call when Pens fwds go down... BB if he plays well and Sill... After that who? Dupuis is an AHLer, trust me on that.... So who is left, really?

If KV stays healthy and plays up to his talent, he will be on the short list of callups.

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I don't need to watch any.
Ha. That's where I stopped reading.

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How many games did you watch him play last year? Believe it or not, playing time is pretty crucial for a player's development and you need a lot more than just being some big dude with a lot of skill. I think everyone realizes what kind of potential Veilleux has, but it's always been one big obstacle after another for him and everyone has realized it's taken a huge toll on him.

And if you've seen every-game, then how about you provide us with some details about why you'd make such a claim? Seriously, I appreciate what you do here and the coverage you provide for WBS. But I could have my nephew watch every game he's played, and I'm probably not going to trust his opinion.
Last year I watched a pre-season game where he literally dominated the opposition, and potted 4 goals. Obviously he hasn't played the amount of games anyone would have liked him to. But that doesn't been he's retiring.

People do not realize how far he has come in his development in the last 3 years WITHOUT playing on a regular basis. He went from soft to legitimately tough. Bullied some of the toughest players in the A.

From what I've seen, he has the ability to play in the NHL next season. Not in a top-6 or even top-9 role like some have been claiming. Fourth line winger that can drop the gloves and play the system to an absolute T.

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10-03-2012, 04:28 PM
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Last year I watched a pre-season game where he literally dominated the opposition, and potted 4 goals. Obviously he hasn't played the amount of games anyone would have liked him to. But that doesn't been he's retiring.

People do not realize how far he has come in his development in the last 3 years WITHOUT playing on a regular basis. He went from soft to legitimately tough. Bullied some of the toughest players in the A.

From what I've seen, he has the ability to play in the NHL next season. Not in a top-6 or even top-9 role like some have been claiming. Fourth line winger that can drop the gloves and play the system to an absolute T.
KV is old news, so naturally people gave up on him.

The bottom six needs size and he brings that in spades when he is playing hard.

There is no doubt he has the skill to play in the NHL. My worries are health (no really) and skating.

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Hasn't he mainly been used as a winger?
He has

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If KV stays healthy, he will no doubt get a shot this season, if there is a season and all.

There really isn't much depth at fwd for him to leapfrog.

I'm struggling to think of who gets the call when Pens fwds go down... BB if he plays well and Sill... After that who? Dupuis is an AHLer, trust me on that.... So who is left, really?

If KV stays healthy and plays up to his talent, he will be on the short list of callups.
Ferriero and Super Duper 2 will no doubt be bottom 6 call ups as well as Sill. BB needs to light **** up to get the call up. IF KV can stay healthy I'd say he gets a call up after those guys but I'll believe it when I see it.

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Ferriero, Dupuis, Trevor Smith and even Warren Peters or Zach Sill could be ahead of Veilleux and that's before we look at the rookies like Bennett, Kuhnhackl, Uher.


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Ha. That's where I stopped reading.



Last year I watched a pre-season game where he literally dominated the opposition, and potted 4 goals. Obviously he hasn't played the amount of games anyone would have liked him to. But that doesn't been he's retiring.

People do not realize how far he has come in his development in the last 3 years WITHOUT playing on a regular basis. He went from soft to legitimately tough. Bullied some of the toughest players in the A.

From what I've seen, he has the ability to play in the NHL next season. Not in a top-6 or even top-9 role like some have been claiming. Fourth line winger that can drop the gloves and play the system to an absolute T.
I don't question he can get better, or that he has some serious skill, but how can you expect a guy to develop when he's had 3 pro seasons, 1 season he played 9 games, and another he played 0, which was the most recent season.

I don't doubt he can be an NHL'er, but I think his ability to live up to his potential previously is slim, and I have serious reservations about him being about to withstand the rigors of a 4th line role.

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Ferriero and Super Duper 2 will no doubt be bottom 6 call ups as well as Sill. BB needs to light **** up to get the call up. IF KV can stay healthy I'd say he gets a call up after those guys but I'll believe it when I see it.
If KV stays healthy and plays to his potential, he is going to be a much better option than those two.

Those are big ifs, but it isn't a crazy notion both could happen.

He's such a wildcard that no one should count him out, or count on him.

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not that I can really make out the numbers very well on the SEL games, but what number does Sundqvist sport?

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If KV stays healthy and plays to his potential, he is going to be a much better option than those two.

Those are big ifs, but it isn't a crazy notion both could happen.

He's such a wildcard that no one should count him out, or count on him.
But Jig, we've seen this movie before. If DB has the option of an inexperienced youngster with offensive upside or a two-way AHL veteran, he's going with the latter option every time unless he's completely blown away. I think that's what most people here are getting at.

ET's higher than KV on the depth chart and would ostensibly fill a similar role. Does anybody honestly think Bylsma would ice a team where both Veilleux and Tangradi are playing bottom 6 roles? I have a hard time imagining it.

Like wej said, Ferriero, Dupuis, et al seem to be more likely options for DB, no matter what our fanbase thinks.

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