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Bruins extend Milan Lucic for 3 years/$18 million

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09-16-2012, 09:52 AM
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Bergeron has peaked

Seguin and Lucic have not

There's the difference

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09-16-2012, 09:53 AM
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Put Savard on LTIR & there's another 4+ Million in Cap Space.

Thomas only has 1 year left on his contract, that's another 5 Million in Cap Space.

Bergeron is under contract for 2 more seasons.

It shouldn't be an issue.

You have almost 60M tied up in 16 players for 2013-2014. Thats as close to a problem as you can get if the cap comes down at ALL from the 70M.

6M for Lucic is ridiculous. 6M for Lucic on the eve of a lockout where the owners premise is "we are paying too much to the players" is borderline retarded.

Jeremy Jacobs is a ****ing moron and a hypocrite.

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09-16-2012, 09:57 AM
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This is very bad. Lucic is a good player absolutely, but he is not worth 6 million dollars per year.

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You have almost 60M tied up in 16 players for 2013-2014. Thats as close to a problem as you can get if the cap comes down at ALL from the 70M.

6M for Lucic is ridiculous. 6M for Lucic on the eve of a lockout where the owners premise is "we are paying too much to the players" is borderline retarded.

Jeremy Jacobs is a ****ing moron and a hypocrite.
Putting Savard on LTIR allows the Bruins to exceed the salary cap by $4+ Million.

The Salary cap Might come down but there Might also be a salary rollback.

I'd rather have to many players than not enough - Jacobs tried that strategy for the last lockout and it left the Bruins in ruins and forced them to make the terrible Joe Thornton trade.

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09-16-2012, 10:10 AM
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Putting Savard on LTIR allows the Bruins to exceed the salary cap by $4+ Million.

The Salary cap Might come down but there Might also be a salary rollback.

I'd rather have to many players than not enough - Jacobs tried that strategy for the last lockout and it left the Bruins in ruins and forced them to make the terrible Joe Thornton trade.
Theres obviously a lot of "what ifs" at this point. Hell the LTIR cap space is a "what if" as well.

But its still a lot of money for Lucic, and considering it was handed out an hour before a lockout due to the players being paid too much happened, it makes it look a hell of a lot worse than it may actually be.

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This makes the _______ contract look awful.

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09-16-2012, 10:26 AM
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Overpayment imo. But Luc will give you 20 goals, and a mean presence that no one in the league will provide...
If he continues his pace and progression he'll give you 30 goals. (hopefully)

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overpayment for loch.

nhl needs to adopt baseball contract structure. segin should not be getting this much of a raise for only two yrs in the league or anyone. baseball has it right in this aspect of their cba. also owners should get a better split of the revenue than the players for the simple reason its there money on the line none of the players!players come and go. owners will be around longer!!!

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09-16-2012, 11:32 AM
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You have almost 60M tied up in 16 players for 2013-2014. Thats as close to a problem as you can get if the cap comes down at ALL from the 70M.

6M for Lucic is ridiculous. 6M for Lucic on the eve of a lockout where the owners premise is "we are paying too much to the players" is borderline retarded.

Jeremy Jacobs is a ****ing moron and a hypocrite.
how is he a moron? He along with Ed Snider don't give a **** how much they're paying their players these days. What do they care if some small teams die.

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09-16-2012, 12:32 PM
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You have almost 60M tied up in 16 players for 2013-2014. Thats as close to a problem as you can get if the cap comes down at ALL from the 70M.

6M for Lucic is ridiculous. 6M for Lucic on the eve of a lockout where the owners premise is "we are paying too much to the players" is borderline retarded.

Jeremy Jacobs is a ****ing moron and a hypocrite.
Well glad it's just close to a problem, instead of an actual problem.

I would be willing to presume that the changes will have to affect teams equally.

I also doubt that those teams who have supported players the most (i.e. high cap spenders) will suffer the worst in the exchange.

I'm not sure why he's a moron, he might be a hypocrite (I've never heard him fully explain his opinion on why they're locking out the players). But at worst he's recent cup winning hypocrite.

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09-16-2012, 01:16 PM
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I'm glad Hartnell signed his contract before this.

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This is very bad. Lucic is a good player absolutely, but he is not worth 6 million dollars per year.
Nonsense.

Thirty GMs would sign Lucic for $6 million without batting an eye.

That is the meaning of "market value." It's not the calculation of a player's worth relative to how many goals or points or whatever sort of Power Point presentation you want to make. It's simply this: What would a buyer pay?

And I know Lucic would be an RFA, but if there is any player in the NHL that a GM would offer sheet, it's Lucic. He's the type of forward you build around.

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I'm glad Hartnell signed his contract before this.
Hartnell's 6 years older and signed for twice as long of course he got a better cap hit.

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Nonsense.

Thirty GMs would sign Lucic for $6 million without batting an eye.

That is the meaning of "market value." It's not the calculation of a player's worth relative to how many goals or points or whatever sort of Power Point presentation you want to make. It's simply this: What would a buyer pay?

And I know Lucic would be an RFA, but if there is any player in the NHL that a GM would offer sheet, it's Lucic. He's the type of forward you build around.
He's really not, you build around Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos etc etc

Lucic is pretty damn far down the list of 'forwards you build your team around!'

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He's really not, you build around Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos etc etc

Lucic is pretty damn far down the list of 'forwards you build your team around!'
If you don't believe that Lucic has a lot to do with what makes the Bruins who they are, you haven't seen them play much.

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If you don't believe that Lucic has a lot to do with what makes the Bruins who they are, you haven't seen them play much.
Ah the standard you clearly don't watch my team response.

Watched them more than most teams that aren't Tampa, and given the 7 game series in 10-11 on top of regular season match-ups yes I have an idea. He does bring a lot to the Bruins 'style' of play. But you are delusional to think he is a 'franchise' player or the forward the team is built around.

He is a unique player, just not a franchise cornerstone, which Seguin has the potential to be.

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Hartnell's 6 years older and signed for twice as long of course he got a better cap hit.
So Lucic signed for 3 years now for more and will probably extend for more after this too. Hartnell's young enough that age doesn't really matter.

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So Lucic signed for 3 years now for more and will probably extend for more after this too. Hartnell's young enough that age doesn't really matter.
When does age matter?

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So Lucic signed for 3 years now for more and will probably extend for more after this too. Hartnell's young enough that age doesn't really matter.
I know but what I am saying is this signing would have little to no barring on Hartnell's contract as Lucic is much younger and signed for shorter time so he would be looking for more money as Hartnell is making 6 million is first season so if he had signed for only 3 years it would be a comparable cap hit.

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When does age matter?
Do I really need to answer that question? It starts to matter at the age when players start to deteriorate. 33/34. That's when it starts to matter in a discussion like this.

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I know but what I am saying is this signing would have little to no barring on Hartnell's contract as Lucic is much younger and signed for shorter time so he would be looking for more money as Hartnell is making 6 million is first season so if he had signed for only 3 years it would be a comparable cap hit.
All fair points, but I really can't see Lucic signing for anything like as low as Hartnell just has. Long term at the end of this is probably going to be approximately $5.5m a year, or the cap-equivalent of that at the time.

All i'm saying is that Hartnell's deal is looking better and better, and it coming after Lucic's may well have affected it.

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Do I really need to answer that question? It starts to matter at the age when players start to deteriorate. 33/34. That's when it starts to matter in a discussion like this.
Which Hartnell will be during a portion of his contract? He is signed till 2019.

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Do I really need to answer that question? It starts to matter at the age when players start to deteriorate. 33/34. That's when it starts to matter in a discussion like this.
Yeah, I think the poster above me already got to my point. And you did need to answer the question IMO.

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Lucic got about 500k to 750k too much.

5.25 mill over 4 yrs would of been very fair.

On the bruins boards, pre-signing people were hoping for 5-5.5 for 5-6 years

And to be fair, people always post "what they're hoping for" as over what they actually want so they can say it's a steal.

But honestly if Marchand commanded 4.5 mill a year, this isn't surprising.

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Yeah, I think the poster above me already got to my point. And you did need to answer the question IMO.
Apologies. I thought Hartnell's expired when he was 34.

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