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10-06-2012, 03:43 PM
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Ok, habsters, back on topic.

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Ok, habsters, back on topic.
Come on, The National >...> Talking about the lockout.

Nothing is happening

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10-06-2012, 04:07 PM
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I really need to download some pre-Boxer The National.

Oh, and lockouts suck.

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The most frustrating part is probably the absence of negotations, I mean if each weeks they would have been negotiating 3-4 days, I think they would at least seem to try hard to get this season going...

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The most frustrating part is probably the absence of negotations, I mean if each weeks they would have been negotiating 3-4 days, I think they would at least seem to try hard to get this season going...
They can't negotiate as they have distinct visions.

Owners want 57%, and players want 57%, which adds up to 114%.

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10-06-2012, 04:59 PM
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They can't negotiate as they have distinct visions.

Owners want 57%, and players want 57%, which adds up to 114%.
All those time they told me to give my 110%, it's starting to make some sense now

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They can't negotiate as they have distinct visions.

Owners want 57%, and players want 57%, which adds up to 114%.
No, last I heard the problem was the fact that the owners want that it's get split 50/50 as soon as next year (which would mean a diminution of the players salaries on their contracts next season). While the players want to follow NHL growth to get to the 50/50 eventually (it could take 5 years assuming the history of the last 5 years is projected I think).

That's what I understood of the issue right now and I think something could really be negotiated from that, but no they prefer to stay in each corners and **** the fans.

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All those time they told me to give my 110%, it's starting to make some sense now
Make sure you play a full 68 minutes. We need all 7 guys on the ice working hard.

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10-07-2012, 03:10 AM
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The most frustrating part is probably the absence of negotations, I mean if each weeks they would have been negotiating 3-4 days, I think they would at least seem to try hard to get this season going...
Put them in a conference room eight hours a day for a week, order the same take way for lunch every day and they would come out with a deal within a week. Or end up killing each other.

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10-07-2012, 07:13 AM
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One thing about this whole lockout crap that makes me go hmmm, is the fact that many former players and media are saying that the game will be back by january1. I wonder if that is just speculation or if there is inside info that is not permitted to go to air. I laugh when I hear references to the fans and it's all about the fans. What a load of crap. In a time when economies are bad and jobs on both sides of the border are hard to come by, it is very insulting to listen to both sides argue about millions when the vast majority of canadians and americans are working hard just to put food on the table. It is even more insulting when you consider that their very salaries and profits are based on over priced tickets paid for by all of us very valued fans. I love the Habs and NHL hockey as much as anyone but honestly I could care less about how long they fight it out.

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10-07-2012, 10:07 AM
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is Emelin not playing in the K?

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Emelin better not be one of them, if so , FU bettman!

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10-07-2012, 10:35 AM
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4 days until what should have been the season opener **** you nhl

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10-07-2012, 10:40 AM
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Emelin better not be one of them, if so , FU bettman!
Barring unforeseen circumstances, valid NHL contracts will not evaporate into thin air. Emelin will be a Hab once this circus ends.

And don't tell me the lockout will last 2 years.

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10-07-2012, 10:51 AM
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Barring unforeseen circumstances, valid NHL contracts will not evaporate into thin air. Emelin will be a Hab once this circus ends.

And don't tell me the lockout will last 2 years.
Yea i was actually curious about this; seen how contracts will be most likely modified, what is their validity once new CBA comes into play? And could a individual player refuse, lets say if an agreement settles a rollback of salaries, to abide with the new agreement? or is it that if new CBA is set, all players under the association will have to comply to new agreement?

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10-07-2012, 10:52 AM
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Barring unforeseen circumstances, valid NHL contracts will not evaporate into thin air. Emelin will be a Hab once this circus ends.

And don't tell me the lockout will last 2 years.
Well, if it did last 2 years, no more Gomez?

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10-07-2012, 10:58 AM
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Yea i was actually curious about this; seen how contracts will be most likely modified, what is their validity once new CBA comes into play? And could a individual player refuse, lets say if an agreement settles a rollback of salaries, to abide with the new agreement? or is it that if new CBA is set, all players under the association will have to comply to new agreement?
Looking back at the last resolution, contracts did slide for the duration of the lockout, minus 24% of value moneywise except for Jagr and a couple of high money contracts, iirc.

Of course, we don't know yet how a new CBA would affect existing contracts in this resolution but we can safely say that the most important thing for the PA is honoring the contracts signed under the last CBA "as is".

So it would be safe to say that what happened with the sliding(except rookie contracts) will probably stand again if the lockout lasts the whole year.

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10-07-2012, 10:59 AM
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Well, if it did last 2 years, no more Gomez?
Yes.

At that point, would the NHL still be standing?

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Well, if it did last 2 years, no more Gomez?
no more T-Kabs

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10-07-2012, 11:08 AM
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Yes.

At that point, would the NHL still be standing?
Oh, of course not. It would pretty much destroy the league. I don't think the owners are that foolish.

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10-07-2012, 11:23 AM
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For me it will always be hard to understand HOW a guy who has an agent (well paid) and is basically a "freelancer" and a business in himself, can also be part of an UNION... which is also negotiating for him.

What is the role of the player's agents in this conflict, and HOW can they participate to fix it ?

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10-07-2012, 11:24 AM
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Oh, of course not. It would pretty much destroy the league. I don't think the owners are that foolish.
Let's have a "Canadian" League !

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The current NHL is dead. I'm saddened that ownership and the players do not realize it. The league is dead, right now.

It will come back with far fewer teams, but today's NHL is no more. I'm betting no more than 24 teams, maximum.

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The current NHL is dead. I'm saddened that ownership and the players do not realize it. The league is dead, right now.

It will come back with far fewer teams, but today's NHL is no more. I'm betting no more than 24 teams, maximum.
u wut mate?

too much vodka and beer me think!

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10-07-2012, 12:50 PM
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For me it will always be hard to understand HOW a guy who has an agent (well paid) and is basically a "freelancer" and a business in himself, can also be part of an UNION... which is also negotiating for him.

What is the role of the player's agents in this conflict, and HOW can they participate to fix it ?
Good point. I think the union was good, in response to how the players were tread "in the old time" but now it's outdated.

That's probably why you saw a lot of "we're really united this time" kind of post when the lock-out started.

And to respond to your question, if the agent portfolio of players is well enough diversified, I don't think it will bother them THAT much. It's more fringe players who will start to put some presser as the lock-out drags on.

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