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10-16-2012, 05:57 PM
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Early word I'm hearing from couple players after PA call is reasonable optimism, but more horse trading remains. And a deal soon seems (1)


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10-16-2012, 08:52 PM
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Still positive movement in the NHL's offer. Sure there will be a counter offer but hopefully both sides can compromise/split some differences. Like the 2 year entry deals versus the three in the last CBA. Definitely helps with early prospect trending down and not getting stuck with another a year but on the other side some times could help a prospect that had a couple of bad years get a fresh start with another org..

I would like to see a little more revenue sharing. Helps insulate the health of the league in a collective swing if there are some down turns but I'm not a bean counter.

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10-16-2012, 09:54 PM
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Really good news today.........finally have a starting point. My gut tells me this gets done by Sunday Night. I've forgotten what it feels like to look forward to Caps games. It might be time to start talking actual hockey...........Caps need a 2nd line winger!

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10-16-2012, 10:04 PM
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Why would the short contracts mean no Kuz? I figure 5 years at a high price would still be a good thing for him.

4/3 years of cheap money with a potential big increase over 5 years is still 8 or 9 years of work.

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The longer entry-level contracts could mean no Kuz.

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10-16-2012, 10:23 PM
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Really good news today.........finally have a starting point. My gut tells me this gets done by Sunday Night. I've forgotten what it feels like to look forward to Caps games. It might be time to start talking actual hockey...........Caps need a 2nd line winger!
Finally starting to feel more positive myself. My gut instinct is that there is a deal to be made here. Granted this could be derailed. Obviously the NHL softening up and actually moving on their initial proposal, which was sort of an throw in everything and the kitchen sink one, shows they are willing to negotiate. The NHLPA's counter proposal or ultimate reaction will really be key to the whole thing. If it isn't creative or inflexible in the counter I believe the owners will just kill the season. I'm sure there are points on both sides that both sides have some wiggle room.

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10-17-2012, 06:31 AM
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Why would the short contracts mean no Kuz? I figure 5 years at a high price would still be a good thing for him.

4/3 years of cheap money with a potential big increase over 5 years is still 8 or 9 years of work.
The biggest thing would be how much he could expect to get as an RFA. 2 year ELC + 5 year max contract + 8 year service time to UFA means 2 guaranteed RFA deals for everyone. Some guys might not like that, although IMO that shouldn't keep you from coming over, it should just make it more likely you'll leave rather than sign a cheap RFA deal when the time comes.

Certainly better than a 4 year ELC for bringing guys over initially though.

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10-17-2012, 09:05 AM
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The longer entry-level contracts could mean no Kuz.
Maybe they could start that clause with 2013 draftees?

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10-17-2012, 09:20 AM
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Maybe they could start that clause with 2013 draftees?
I'd certainly be fine with that because it could potentially benefit the Caps, but I am wary of longer ELCs no matter when they are implemented. I don't like anything that potentially drives top-end young talent to the KHL. I want the best young Russians and Europeans to keep coming here so I can watch them play.

EDIT: Here's what fedfed posted about ELCs under the new CBA in the Kuz thread:

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According to McKenzie, the ELC goes from 3 to 2 years in a new proposal by the NHL. Could be an important factor in many Russians coming over, including Kuznetsov.
If that's the case, the Caps might not want Kuz to get grandfathered in.


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10-17-2012, 10:08 AM
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I haven't read the now public NHL proposal but as-is Kuznetsov is looking at a two-year ELC anyway, assuming he comes over after Sochi. A new CBA would need a sliding scale for older ELC signees and not a blanket rule for that to change. Arbitration eligibility becomes the key point I think. Again, I haven't read over the NHL's offer but initial reports were that arb. wouldn't be pushed back any further with the exception an extra post-ELC, no arb. season for 18-20yo signees added by virtue of shortening their ELC term. If Kuznetsov's for real he'd still be looking at a pretty lucrative second contract via arb. leverage.

Doubtful the second contract goes away in any event. Between offer sheets and teams that want to do right with their star picks it's still going to happen. The lesser younger players will get pinched but otherwise star players tend to earn regardless.

Edit: Apparently it is a blanket two-year limit but there may be an additional season tacked on for arb. eligibility.


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10-17-2012, 05:14 PM
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No politics intended, but I'm guessing this indicates Nicky is in the US atm.

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I wonder if there is some binder in his contract that requires him to be here


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No politics intended, but I'm guessing this indicates Nicky is in the US atm.
He's been here since the beginning of September. Never left after the lockout began. Training here with Green, Carlson, Chimera, Beagle and Hendricks.

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10-17-2012, 09:38 PM
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No politics intended, but I'm guessing this indicates Nicky is in the US atm.
They ask the Caps that question every April.

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They ask the Caps that question every April.
Backstrom specifically wants Candy Crowley involved this time.

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If NHLPA counter today works off NHL proposal, there'll be traction/negotiation. If NHLPA counter is different conceptually, it'll be Fugly.

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I fear Fugly could be trending later today. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see soon enough.

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10-18-2012, 03:05 PM
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@DarrenDreger: Bettman says the league and union are not speaking the same language. Concerned by lack of progress.

Hey, groundhog day. Kudos. If you come with three or four offers you probably don't have one at all.

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10-18-2012, 03:07 PM
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How many days til Spring Training?

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@DarrenDreger: Bettman says the league and union are not speaking the same language. Concerned by lack of progress.

Hey, groundhog day. Kudos. If you come with three or four offers you probably don't have one at all.
When I heard NHLPA had three proposal did not get a good feeling...

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10-18-2012, 03:23 PM
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How many days til Spring Training?
Was thinking the same thing. Bullets aren't going to be fun to watch early on with Nene/Wall out.


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10-18-2012, 03:37 PM
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Surprise surprise. Some of you guys actually believe anything good would come of the offer.

Fehr is dead set on the NHL looking weak, instead of just negotiating. He probably has a specific number he wants, and he wants the NHL to offer it.

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10-18-2012, 03:51 PM
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Donald Fehr is the biggest A$$hole on the planet. That was true long before this.

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'Honor contracts' is the new 'shared sacrifice.' Good job, jerks.

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NHL should counter-offer: will honor 100% of current contract, but anything over the 50% cap (62 mil ish?) gets a deferred cap hit in later years, as with bonus overages. I'm sure the players would just love that, right?

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