Rocky tells you he is losing money every year too, do you believe him when he says that?
players even got (back in the 70/80's) $100+ a night when on the road (my uncle played), don't pay for flights, accommodation or insurance. There training area, trainers, medical bills and health related costs are taken care of. The owners pay taxes, maintenance fees, employees, and other costs into running the arena. Then taxes on income, advertising + marketing...its not as black and white as it seems.
also, wirtz probably keeps the money he makes of liquor sales separate from league revenue. so its possible.
Yea, I love how people (primarily from the north of us) think, "oh the Stars were doing bad, WHY IS THERE HOCKEY IN THE SOUTH AND?" while the same guy wrecked one of the most successful sports teams in the world, as well as a baseball team who all make boatloads of money
Thats a pretty lame excuse, so they should work for pennies, just so they canwork?
No. I'll stick to my point but it was mostly a joke.
The owners run the show. I strongly believe that it's in the fans' best interest to see the owners come out ahead. The league has been great, in large part because of so many new and dedicated (to growing the brand) owners. Better owners tend to give a better and more competitive product based on what we've seen in most pro sports.
The players are going to lose more money than they'll recoup if this thing extends any longer. They aren't being practical and there are too many divergent interests. This isn't the same thing as most labor unions, these guys aren't exactly getting exploited like players 5 decades ago or even 3 decades ago. Besides all that, the PA has done nothing to win my support the last 25 years that they'll make a decision that's in the best interest of the fans or the league.
I don't like either group, but I don't understand how the players winning this fight makes the league better, and as a fan, that's all I really care about. When I see how the player's stance makes the league more competitive and better overall, I'll gladly jump on their side. I've usually sided with the players or labor in these types of disputes, but not in the NHL's case.
Certainly looks that way. Fehr basically proposed that all signed players go by the old CBA. It ain't gonna happen. TSN just reported that that means they are 100's of millions of dollars apart over the term of those contracts. This looks bad.
I can't believe how ill informed these players are. A grade 9 student could do better than what I just heard as a counter proposal. And how did they think the owners could possibly go for it - It is largely the same proposal they started with in late summer.. just variations of the same ol same ol.
I had to laugh at the stern look on the faces of Toews, Staal and another player, can't remember who, when the cameras were on them. I wonder if they practiced in front of the mirror. The stern look will be real when they wake up to the reality and discover how much this ends up costing them. It's just a game for Fehr. That's how I see it.
"The so called 50-50 deal, plus honoring current contracts proposed by the NHL Players' Association earlier today is being misrepresented...
"It's not a 50-50 deal. It is, most likely, a 56 to 57% deal in Yr. 1 and never gets to 50% during the proposed 5-yr term of the agreement.
"The proposal contemplates paying the players approximately $650 million outside the players' share. In effect, the Union is proposing...
"to change the accounting rules to be able to say 50-50, when really it is not. ...
"The Union told us that they had not yet 'run the numbers.' We did."
But it's not. Even if their counter-offer was accepted, long term they'd be making concessions.
It's a negotiation. Both sides won't get everything they want and will have to make concessions. The NHLPA refused to negotiate all year, took every chance to spout bs about how much they just want to play the game, and tried their hardest to get fan sympathy up.
The NHL exposed them for being greedy and now that the PR tide is turning the players are crying foul. It's absolutely childish.
The owners lose very little by not having a season, the players lose a lot more and yet they're just being babies about this all.