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10-18-2012, 04:11 PM
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Dallas financially went to hell because of Hicks (Same guy put Rangers on brink of economic doom as well)
And Liverpool. What a pud that guy was.

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And Liverpool. What a pud that guy was.

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10-18-2012, 04:20 PM
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NHLPA offered owners 50/50 split as long as current contracts were honored. If you say this is unfair, we have a different idea of fairness.

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HAHAHAH

That's what Bettman wants you to believe.

Rocky tells you he is losing money every year too, do you believe him when he says that?
players even got (back in the 70/80's) $100+ a night when on the road (my uncle played), don't pay for flights, accommodation or insurance. There training area, trainers, medical bills and health related costs are taken care of. The owners pay taxes, maintenance fees, employees, and other costs into running the arena. Then taxes on income, advertising + marketing...its not as black and white as it seems.

also, wirtz probably keeps the money he makes of liquor sales separate from league revenue. so its possible.

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Yea, I love how people (primarily from the north of us) think, "oh the Stars were doing bad, WHY IS THERE HOCKEY IN THE SOUTH AND?" while the same guy wrecked one of the most successful sports teams in the world, as well as a baseball team who all make boatloads of money

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10-18-2012, 04:24 PM
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You keep saying NHL teams are suffering because the owner did this or that......why should the players pay for owners mistakes or problems???????
Because if my company started hurting financially they would lay people off?

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10-18-2012, 04:25 PM
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NHLPA offered owners 50/50 split as long as current contracts were honored. If you say this is unfair, we have a different idea of fairness.
^
You cant get to 50/50 split under that scenario without Escrow (Which is what players want)

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You cant get to 50/50 split under that scenario
So we can agree the owners were asking the players to give money back. People on here have been stating that under the 50/50 proposal all contracts were going to be honored.

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10-18-2012, 04:36 PM
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LOL, ppl on here are happy the owners offered a 50/50 split, now the players offer it and say to honour current contracts and people still back the owners.

Shows you ****** the NHLs latest offer actually was, and that they do have different meanings of a 50/50 split.

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Toews: we want the league to honour current contracts, that's pretty much all we're asking

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Because if my company started hurting financially they would lay people off?
The NHL is a company, and as a company they are making lots of dough. It has been stated that the NHL is making record revenue, so why should the employees help out the employers?

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Toews: we want the league to honour current contracts, that's pretty much all we're asking
Right.

And the owners offered a legitimate 50/50.

I don't think either side took this week seriously.

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The NHL is a company, and as a company they are making lots of dough. It has been stated that the NHL is making record revenue, so why should the employees help out the employers?
so that they don't get locked out and are allowed to keep working.

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10-18-2012, 04:43 PM
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so that they don't get locked out and are allowed to keep working.
Thats a pretty lame excuse, so they should work for pennies, just so they canwork?

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Thats a pretty lame excuse, so they should work for pennies, just so they canwork?
When did half of 3.3 BILLION DOLLARS become pennies?

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10-18-2012, 04:55 PM
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When did half of 3.3 BILLION DOLLARS become pennies?
Thats not the point.

The point is, they are trying to get a fair deal WITH current contracts honoured.
If they give in EVERYTIME the owners lock them out, it will be pennies by the end of it.

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10-18-2012, 04:57 PM
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Thats a pretty lame excuse, so they should work for pennies, just so they canwork?
No. I'll stick to my point but it was mostly a joke.

The owners run the show. I strongly believe that it's in the fans' best interest to see the owners come out ahead. The league has been great, in large part because of so many new and dedicated (to growing the brand) owners. Better owners tend to give a better and more competitive product based on what we've seen in most pro sports.

The players are going to lose more money than they'll recoup if this thing extends any longer. They aren't being practical and there are too many divergent interests. This isn't the same thing as most labor unions, these guys aren't exactly getting exploited like players 5 decades ago or even 3 decades ago. Besides all that, the PA has done nothing to win my support the last 25 years that they'll make a decision that's in the best interest of the fans or the league.

I don't like either group, but I don't understand how the players winning this fight makes the league better, and as a fan, that's all I really care about. When I see how the player's stance makes the league more competitive and better overall, I'll gladly jump on their side. I've usually sided with the players or labor in these types of disputes, but not in the NHL's case.

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10-18-2012, 05:17 PM
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And there you have it everyone

NHLPA does there thing

Its all over people ,, 2012-13 season is dead
Certainly looks that way. Fehr basically proposed that all signed players go by the old CBA. It ain't gonna happen. TSN just reported that that means they are 100's of millions of dollars apart over the term of those contracts. This looks bad.

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I can't believe how ill informed these players are. A grade 9 student could do better than what I just heard as a counter proposal. And how did they think the owners could possibly go for it - It is largely the same proposal they started with in late summer.. just variations of the same ol same ol.

I had to laugh at the stern look on the faces of Toews, Staal and another player, can't remember who, when the cameras were on them. I wonder if they practiced in front of the mirror. The stern look will be real when they wake up to the reality and discover how much this ends up costing them. It's just a game for Fehr. That's how I see it.

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10-18-2012, 06:03 PM
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NHLPA offered owners 50/50 split as long as current contracts were honored. If you say this is unfair, we have a different idea of fairness.
I'm with Proteau on this one. The players just called the owners' bluff.

For the past seven years, they've been handing out these ridiculous contracts like candy, and now they're refusing to pay what they promised.

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10-18-2012, 07:01 PM
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"The so called 50-50 deal, plus honoring current contracts proposed by the NHL Players' Association earlier today is being misrepresented...
"It's not a 50-50 deal. It is, most likely, a 56 to 57% deal in Yr. 1 and never gets to 50% during the proposed 5-yr term of the agreement.
"The proposal contemplates paying the players approximately $650 million outside the players' share. In effect, the Union is proposing...
"to change the accounting rules to be able to say 50-50, when really it is not. ...
"The Union told us that they had not yet 'run the numbers.' We did."

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10-18-2012, 07:05 PM
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People can call it a lockout all they want, but to me, this us a hold out after today on the part of the players.

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The lockout will not be officially referred to as the NHLPA lockout

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People can call it a lockout all they want, but to me, this us a hold out after today on the part of the players.
But it's not. Even if their counter-offer was accepted, long term they'd be making concessions.

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10-18-2012, 07:21 PM
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But it's not. Even if their counter-offer was accepted, long term they'd be making concessions.
It's a negotiation. Both sides won't get everything they want and will have to make concessions. The NHLPA refused to negotiate all year, took every chance to spout bs about how much they just want to play the game, and tried their hardest to get fan sympathy up.

The NHL exposed them for being greedy and now that the PR tide is turning the players are crying foul. It's absolutely childish.

The owners lose very little by not having a season, the players lose a lot more and yet they're just being babies about this all.

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