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10-16-2012, 12:22 PM
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Also, there's not chance the NHL tries to compact an 82 schedule into 4 or 5 months if a deal is signed with that much time in the season. We may see a slightly compacted schedule, but it won't be that ridiculous.
Well, the new proposal is just that, 82 games crammed into 5 months. This is going to be so stupid, just cancel the damn 10 games, but no, the owners have to be greedy.

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10-16-2012, 12:26 PM
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Well, the new proposal is just that, 82 games crammed into 5 months. This is going to be so stupid, just cancel the damn 10 games, but no, the owners have to be greedy.
They NHL proposal is in the hope of saving an 82-game schedule. Peirre LeBrun already reported in September that the league would be willing to play into late-June (23rd-25th). So, if the NHL gets started before Nov. 2nd and played out the regular season until early May, it won't be that bad.

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10-16-2012, 12:28 PM
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They NHL proposal is in the hope of saving an 82-game schedule. Peirre LeBrun already reported in September that the league would be willing to play into late-June (23rd-25th). So, if the NHL gets started before Nov. 2nd and played out the regular season until early May, it won't be that bad.
They should just cancel the games...playing that late is too much - the season already goes on too long - they'll still be playing after the official start of summer.

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10-16-2012, 12:31 PM
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They should just cancel the games...playing that late is too much - the season already goes on too long - they'll still be playing after the official start of summer.
People are actually opposed to a shorter summer as hockey fans? Why?

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10-16-2012, 12:37 PM
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Players are going to be dropping like flies. Not to mention, only 1 week of training for this whacked out schedule? I am sure they have done some preparation but come on, that just doesn't make any sense. Cut 8-10 games, give teams a little longer to prepare and we're good to go.

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Yeah, **** that. Run it as long into the summer as you want. The longer the season, the better.

Now, I have ZERO confidence they get a deal done within this next week to 2 that would make 82 a possiblity, but we'll see.

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10-16-2012, 12:46 PM
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People are actually opposed to a shorter summer as hockey fans? Why?
because there's something weird about watching hockey...and the game ending...when it's still light outside. day games excepted.

i prefer watching hockey at night when it's dark out. it makes it feel more worthwhile remaining inside.

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10-16-2012, 12:49 PM
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Yeah, **** that. Run it as long into the summer as you want. The longer the season, the better.

Now, I have ZERO confidence they get a deal done within this next week to 2 that would make 82 a possiblity, but we'll see.
So you want to screw up this season AND next season?

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10-16-2012, 01:02 PM
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As for the compression of the schedule to get to 82 games, Bettman said it would include one extra game every five weeks per team.

That doesn't sound so bad. Of course, that's assuming the lockout ends by November 2nd, which it won't.

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10-16-2012, 01:12 PM
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NHL owners come back to players with great offer

Fehr and NHLPA blow this and fans will turn on them completely

And one interestesting tidbit

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Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.

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10-16-2012, 01:13 PM
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BWC beat me.

Olesz, you now have another chance to make an impact.

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10-16-2012, 01:24 PM
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BWC beat me.

Olesz, you now have another chance to make an impact.
Hawks situation would probably prevent that.. Likely would have to find a trading partner who takes him by giving them good pick or prospect

Or they trade Hammer (Always possible)

-- Rangers will be in terrible spot trying to dump Redden or fit his cap hit --

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I'm having a difficult time seeing the players possibly saying no to this. This is the offer any objective fan figured would eventually happen - it's simply come much sooner than a lot of us were expecting from these pathetic two sides.

But we can never be sure, so I'll hold in the optimism until I hear something more than "excellent start" from Fehr.

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10-16-2012, 01:26 PM
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I'm assuming with this new proposed rule, players playing overseas still don't have their contracts counted agains the cap (e.g. if Huet hadn't had his contract expire)? Maybe the Hawks could work something out there. Not sure Olesz wants to keep playing in the A, he might prefer Europe.

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4 YRS ELC and 8 years until UFA are major issues. I don't see them accepting that.

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10-16-2012, 01:31 PM
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4 YRS ELC and 8 years until UFA are major issues. I don't see them accepting that.
A quick counteroffer with compromises on those two issues can likely be agreed upon fairly quickly. HRR definition and split was the chief issue.

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4 YRS ELC and 8 years until UFA are major issues. I don't see them accepting that.
Maybe, but personally I like the 4 year ELC.

We wouldn't have had to move Toews/Kane onto their current contracts in 2010 if they had 4 year ELCs, which would've obviously been a huge help in trying to keep that team together for at least one more year.

8 year UFA probably stems from the 4 year ELC. I don't think players like it, but I doubt they see it as a show stopper.

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10-16-2012, 01:41 PM
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Either way at end of day we all know what will happen

Fehr/NHLPA will sadly throw away all progress by countering with a stupid split (Like 54% for PA). All progress will cease and NHL wont resume until 2013 or 2014

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Apparently 4 yr ELC was a mistake, it's staying at 3. This according to John Shannon of SportsNet.

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10-16-2012, 01:48 PM
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I think negotiations go on for another month and we start around the beginning of December, shortened season.

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10-16-2012, 01:49 PM
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If that happens, then it's all on the players. Money is the main issue, if they accept that, then the other things will even themselves out and the deal will be done within a week.

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I have no problem siding with the owners if the players reject this.
If they reject it, it's clear they just want more money, and could give a **** less about us fans

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I think negotiations go on for another month and we start around the beginning of December, shortened season.
I think the same. Hopefully, after this offer the players will start negotiating under the same framework. That would make things a lot easier.

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10-16-2012, 02:20 PM
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I think negotiations go on for another month and we start around the beginning of December, shortened season.
This NHL offer is based on 82 game season ,, No 82 game season = Some sorta rollback will happen to make up for lost revenue

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10-16-2012, 02:21 PM
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NHL owners come back to players with great offer

Fehr and NHLPA blow this and fans will turn on them completely

And one interestesting tidbit
What qualifies them as an "NHL'r". Guys not on an ELC?

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