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How long will the lockout last? And on and on we go!

View Poll Results: How long will the lockout last?
1-2 weeks (no games lost) 24 4.46%
1-2 months (10-12 games lost) 95 17.66%
2-3 months (25-30 games) 130 24.16%
4-6 months (half the season) 64 11.90%
Fugettabouit! 225 41.82%
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09-17-2012, 08:10 AM
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Why do people wish for a cancelled season again? Once was unprecedented enough. I want to see NHl hockey and no more "Season Not Played" on the Cup.

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09-17-2012, 12:04 PM
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Why do people wish for a cancelled season again? Once was unprecedented enough. I want to see NHl hockey and no more "Season Not Played" on the Cup.
I don't think it's a "wish" exactly - I'd call it "tempering expectations", so that if there is any part of a season, it's better than losing a season completely.

That said, I think both Bettman & Fehr could care less if there is a 2012-13 season (Bettman because everyone's "losing money" and Fehr because he "isn't a sports guy" and just won't care.

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09-17-2012, 01:13 PM
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Had to go with Fugettabouit! The 2 sides aren't even talking and when they do it's apples and oranges.

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09-17-2012, 02:14 PM
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1-2 months IMO but right now I honestly don't give a ****.
My sentiments exactly.

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09-17-2012, 03:11 PM
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If they miss one game of the regular, season, I am out as an NHL fan. Bunch of whiners playing a game for millions of dollars, *****ing about how horrible their situation is? Give me a break. I just had my salary reduced 20%, company is about to declare bankruptcy, scrambling to find another job before that happens, and I put in way more work time than the NHL players do, and I do not get the entire summer off.

I am just a typical fan. It is hard for us to relate to these spooled millionaires anymore. This is a shame, as the average NHL player has way more character than average MLB, NBA and NFL players, but they are becoming more like them every year, it seems.
Bull****. You're not a highly-specialized professional in a physically-dangerous profession. People don't pay billions of dollars per year for the product of your skills. The situations are incomparable.

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09-17-2012, 03:38 PM
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1-2 weeks.

I expect the owners to budge on their stance. The owners aren't on the same page and they'll get itchy feet.

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09-17-2012, 03:53 PM
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1-2 weeks.

I expect the owners to budge on their stance. The owners aren't on the same page and they'll get itchy feet.
The owners aren't on the same page?

For the players you have guys making $600,000 voting "no" to the owners proposals to help "protect" another guy making $6,675,000 - and even twice that.

Is that on the same page?

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09-17-2012, 03:59 PM
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I will be surprised if the whole season is not lost. I think the owners will be overconfident that the NHLPA will fold similar to the last lockout, but I don't think that Fehr will allow that to happen.

I don't believe the dynamics are good for a season to be held.

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09-17-2012, 04:09 PM
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The owners aren't on the same page?

For the players you have guys making $600,000 voting "no" to the owners proposals to help "protect" another guy making $6,675,000 - and even twice that.

Is that on the same page?
Players, because of the sher size, won't be on the same page.

But the owners aren't on the same page.

I get the sense from banter over the past year, they're getting itchy feet. With players signing in Europe, it getting colder, the fact the league on the whole is profitable..etc. And the fact the owners just are signing these guys two days ago and then demanding a haircut. Add it all up, and I think you'll see owners say 'mmm we're the ones that signed those deals...lets pay them that money....'

so we'll see 57% slide to 50/50 within 3-4 years...that'll be the compromise. But it'll start with the owners acting first.

And they won't miss any time.

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09-17-2012, 04:55 PM
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I think the whole season will be lost. It looks to be a game of chicken and both sides believe the other will cave first.

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09-17-2012, 05:06 PM
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Unless one side has a complete change of heart, the season is gone. And honestly I do hope it hurts the league. Last time they came back and it was stronger, but that's not what the situation deserves this time.

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09-17-2012, 05:12 PM
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Well I don't make 8% of the league minimum contract salary so both sides can shove a lit candle up their candy *****.

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09-17-2012, 07:37 PM
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Wouldn't be surprised at a full season lockout. Actually, that's what I expect by now.

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Why do people wish for a cancelled season again? Once was unprecedented enough. I want to see NHl hockey and no more "Season Not Played" on the Cup.
I'm not wishing for a season-long lockout. And diehard Phoenix Coyotes fans aren't wishing for them to move. In both cases, we're watching slow-motion trainwrecks about to happen. The poll asked what we EXPECT will happen, not what we WANT to happen. GIven the circumstances, I expect a season-long lockout. I'd love to be wrong, and would be very pleasantly surprised by a quick solution.

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I'm not wishing for a season-long lockout. And diehard Phoenix Coyotes fans aren't wishing for them to move. In both cases, we're watching slow-motion trainwrecks about to happen. The poll asked what we EXPECT will happen, not what we WANT to happen. GIven the circumstances, I expect a season-long lockout. I'd love to be wrong, and would be very pleasantly surprised by a quick solution.
Well many posts in this thread seem to express a desire to see a lost season.

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09-17-2012, 10:41 PM
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Unless the NHL is going to come back with a legitimate offer, I can't see the players signing on anytime soon. They should all start playing overseas and let the owners stew in the .... they are creating. Maybe the owners start to worry next year and try to open with drafted players. If that happens I am done with the NHL forever.

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09-17-2012, 10:52 PM
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Well many posts in this thread seem to express a desire to see a lost season.
Its just sort of blind rage.

People are pissed off at both sides and at the whole situation.

I think contrary to GB's stance that the fans will come right back, I think it is more likely that fans move on. They have realized that they can get through a year without hockey, and they are now of the expectation that NHL seasons will be cancelled on a regular basis to allow for squabbling over money.

There is tons more cynicism this time around. People see the charade for what it is and at this point they would be happy to see both sides suffer a little.

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09-18-2012, 12:20 AM
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Its just sort of blind rage.

People are pissed off at both sides and at the whole situation.

I think contrary to GB's stance that the fans will come right back, I think it is more likely that fans move on. They have realized that they can get through a year without hockey, and they are now of the expectation that NHL seasons will be cancelled on a regular basis to allow for squabbling over money.

There is tons more cynicism this time around. People see the charade for what it is and at this point they would be happy to see both sides suffer a little.
While I think both sides clearly are wrong, I would bet my paycheck that most hockey fans blame the owners. They are crying poverty when hrr is at 3.2 billion, and have signed some incredibly expensive contracts this offseason. I think the players have been more flexible, but the owners want it only their way.

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With any luck, forever: fold the NHL and start over from scratch.
Maybe it will last forever.

We couldn't do much worse in terms of governance and management than we have for the past sixty or seventy years with the guys who run the NHL.

Locking the players out may well do them in.

Whatever league rises from the ashes will always want the best hockey players in the world. The players will be fine. There is a demand for their product.

The fans will be fine too. The business entities may change but eventually the players will keep on playing and the fans will pay to watch, NHL or no NHL.


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What better way to show the American sports fans that we ''aren't a Busch league'' than by missing two 2 seasons out of 9.

It would make the league look like a giant joke, lose all trust with fans and sponsors, and people like me will find other interests and places to spend my money.

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09-18-2012, 11:26 AM
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Unless the NHL is going to come back with a legitimate offer, I can't see the players signing on anytime soon. They should all start playing overseas and let the owners stew in the .... they are creating. Maybe the owners start to worry next year and try to open with drafted players. If that happens I am done with the NHL forever.
... says a poster on an internet message board.

You (me, and ALL of us) will be back, no matter what happens.


and as far as overseas play, there are not enough spots available for "all" players to go there. And those that go are just taking a union job from a Euro player. The majority of players will be sitting at home losing a season of high salary - a year they can never get back.

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... says a poster on an internet message board.

You (me, and ALL of us) will be back, no matter what happens.


and as far as overseas play, there are not enough spots available for "all" players to go there. And those that go are just taking a union job from a Euro player. The majority of players will be sitting at home losing a season of high salary - a year they can never get back.
Yes, but they have to take a stand somewhere . I really think a 50-50 split would be accepted providing the decrease was allowed to be graduated so that current salaries are not slashed more than 5%. But I cannot get over the owners signing of players this summer and then asking for at least 20% back. What a joke and if I were a player I would not budge on it either.

These lockouts have taught me life goes on with or without hockey, and there is more time for family and more money in my pocket not going to games.


As for the poster stating I would go back if replacement players or newly drafted players make up a new roster, I promise you I will not be back plain and simple.


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It is downright insane that the NHL has created a system where rising revenues and fan loyalty is actually bad for the long term stability of the league.

Had fans not come back so quickly after the last lockout, we probably wouldn't be in this situation.

The NHL has actually managed to create a system that makes it so that success precipitates failure.


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If the league moves to 50/50 under old HRR definitions AND the NHLPA permits a secret ballot where all 700 + players vote...... they'll be back on the ice toot sweet.

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