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How long will the lockout last? And on and on we go!

View Poll Results: How long will the lockout last?
1-2 weeks (no games lost) 24 4.46%
1-2 months (10-12 games lost) 95 17.66%
2-3 months (25-30 games) 130 24.16%
4-6 months (half the season) 64 11.90%
Fugettabouit! 225 41.82%
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09-19-2012, 02:23 PM
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No games this year!



But the season will start in january.

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09-19-2012, 02:36 PM
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If the NHL learns that short term CBAs will get them a significant roll back of salaries every 5-7 years, why would they ever sign a long term deal? If the league gets what they are asking for, then they will have a very obvious incentive to sign short term deals and lockout the players every time they expire.
The NHL would do it because they have owners with giant ego's that think they are smarter then the players union. Look at the last CBA as an example, the owners got all that they wanted and thought they cut a great deal for owners. Looking back at it now, the players got a great deal.

The owners will have effectively trimmed the player portion of expenses from over 70%(pre last deal) down to 50%(this deal). The NBA and NFL have similar percentages, so it would make sense. The owners also think the growth will continue, Phoenix and other troubled franchises will work out, the new tv deal, etc...all good things for owners.

How much further could the owners trim in the next CBA? If I am an owner, I am thinking not much, and besides, with all the growth coming, I will be making money or more money by then, so I won't be able to risk loosing games and a lock out to scalp the players some more. I think the owners would gladly sign a longer deal.

The NHLPA is saying today that the problems are NHL/owner caused and not because of player payroll. If they get a longer deal, it then is an NHL/owner problem for 10-12 years to solve.

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09-19-2012, 09:42 PM
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If the NHL learns that short term CBAs will get them a significant roll back of salaries every 5-7 years, why would they ever sign a long term deal? If the league gets what they are asking for, then they will have a very obvious incentive to sign short term deals and lockout the players every time they expire.
You would have to think agents are going to only sign deals that lead up to the CBA expiration date from now on. This way the players are free to go where they want to play the next time the league locks them out, and their contracts cannot be rolled back.

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09-19-2012, 09:51 PM
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I honestly don't see it lasting long once they stop pouting. If they start having serious talks starting say.... Monday, I could see them back late October to early November

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09-20-2012, 05:18 AM
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Question:Is there a limit on the amount a player can make? ie.10% of a team's cap

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09-20-2012, 12:49 PM
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Answered 1-2 months.

This said, I wonder... If the matter is settled by, let's say, February...
I wonder if they just could ditch the reg season and play straight for the Stanley Cup? (Barring some arrangement for player compensation -- think of a per game income based on current salary...)
And how would that work? How would you settle it when 30 teams especially teams who haven't had one in a long time or ever want one?

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09-20-2012, 01:18 PM
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Question:Is there a limit on the amount a player can make? ie.10% of a team's cap
It's 20% of the cap.

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09-20-2012, 11:53 PM
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54 game season starting in mid December. 4 vs your division, 2 vs rest of conference and 18 non conference games. book it.

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09-24-2012, 05:43 PM
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Dan Cleary: Lockout could be longer than 2004-2005

Yikes...This honestly scares me. Doesn't seem like either side wants to budge.

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It appears Danny Cleary and his fellow NHL players are prepared to lose a season or more before the current NHL lockout is resolved....
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=405999

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09-24-2012, 05:56 PM
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Very sad, when they spend more time posturing, than actually trying to get a deal done...

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09-24-2012, 06:11 PM
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Typical older NHLer, like the group of Chelios etc from 2004, who is taking a hardline stance. As a fan on the player side, I'll still say this isn't good for anyone to have hardliners like this. Guys like Jacobs, and formerly Hotchkiss, Wirtz, etc on the league side, and Some of the older veterans who were around in the free market days. Nothing gets accomplished that way. I think Cleary is an outlier anyway. Complete guess, but I bet half the PA would play for something like 52% right now.

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09-24-2012, 06:12 PM
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They certainly are in war mode...

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09-24-2012, 06:16 PM
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They do realize they have zero leverage, right?

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09-24-2012, 06:24 PM
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They do realize they have zero leverage, right?
hopefully at some point...

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09-24-2012, 06:38 PM
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Very sad, when they spend more time posturing, than actually trying to get a deal done...
This is why I'm becoming increasingly p**sed with both sides. People like Fehr, Bettman, and Daly should be off their lazy a**es and in the meeting rooms 24/7 between now and when the deal is reached. And I still think that because of this lockout crap they should sign something like a 10 year CBA.

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09-24-2012, 06:45 PM
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lol they lockout for more then this year and you can kiss the NHL goodbye

What a way to **** their own profitable growth. Both sides are arrogant. 50/50 and get on the damn ice


you dont have games without the players, you dont have players without the owners.


- There's no money without fans


Dear Bettman(im neutral i think both sides are idiots but this applies to him), You will no longer have the best fans in the world as soon as if even this year theres no games played.



Both sides are ridiculous. 50/50 for 1-2 years and actually SPEND THOSE 2 YEARS WORKING ON A NEW CBA INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

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09-24-2012, 06:49 PM
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This is why I'm becoming increasingly p**sed with both sides. People like Fehr, Bettman, and Daly should be off their lazy a**es and in the meeting rooms 24/7 between now and when the deal is reached. And I still think that because of this lockout crap they should sign something like a 10 year CBA.
Negotiations take two sides to negotiate and if one (Fehr) doesn't want to negotiate nothing happens. The NHL already moved on their proposal a few times and they are still waiting for a new one from the NHLPA.

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09-24-2012, 06:54 PM
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Re-interview him after he misses a couple of pay cheques! My guess it will be a slightly different story.

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09-24-2012, 06:56 PM
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Negotiations take two sides to negotiate and if one (Fehr) doesn't want to negotiate nothing happens. The NHL already moved on their proposal a few times and they are still waiting for a new one from the NHLPA.
Maybe so but they (The owners) have a long way to go before they hit the 50/50 mark. So again, they should get off their butts and get moving.

And Cleary should quit yelping, get his guys back from their European sabaticals and get their butts back in the meeting rooms as well.

What a stupid and pathetic waste of time.

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09-24-2012, 07:06 PM
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The owners and the players seem to want to point fingers at each other, both sides
overly concerned about who gets what slice of pie, fans seem to be very low on the list of anyone's priorities.

And seriously, why should they care about us? They don't know us personally, and we'll come back like a dog kicked to the curb waiting for more, but do this to us long enough and often enough, and you'll soon overplay your hand.

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09-24-2012, 07:17 PM
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Eh... coming back after one locked out year is almost a given. But if this stretches into next season, especially significantly so? IDK I'd find it a lot easier to stay away

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09-24-2012, 07:25 PM
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James Mirtle tweeted a few days ago that the NHL could still do an 82 game season even if the lockout took all of October away

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09-24-2012, 07:38 PM
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James Mirtle tweeted a few days ago that the NHL could still do an 82 game season even if the lockout took all of October away
So does that mean the Playoffs go into July, or does it mean they shorten the post season?

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They do realize they have zero leverage, right?
Zero leverage? How many games are being played? Sure some teams will make out like bandits during the lockout, some are losing fortunes. Pretty sure all the owners aren't happy campers.

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Isn't there a point where you stand up for yourself on principle rather than just let your employer walk all over you?
The employer is hardly walking all over anyone, when 80% of these guys are multi-millionaires...come on...

This is all so dis- respectful to the fans who pay the bills...

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