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12-19-2012, 12:04 PM
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yeah yeah yeah, he's just a kid havin a good time. I get that. My problem isn't really with whats in the pic, its the fact that he posts stuff like that on twitter. He's either too stupid to realize it might be a problem, or he knows and just doesn't care. In either case, it shows a pretty poor character on his part. I think that sort of stuff carries over into the locker room and the way he interacts with coaches and staff. If he isn't willing to examine his choices for the time it would take to say "hmmm, should I or should I not post this pic of me holding two fat wads of cash in Vegas while we're in the midst of a contentious negotiation on twitter?" then how does he respond when the coaches suggest he maybe examine some aspect of his game? Does he just do what he wants or does he listen?
This is pretty much exactly what I'm thinking. Just posting this pic up in the first place and not understanding or caring that it might be a problem to some people isn't very intelligent.

I sincerely hope this stuff isn't affecting the type of person he is when playing hockey.

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12-19-2012, 12:07 PM
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Why does he need to excuse his behaviour?

he's 21. And he's acting his age. I have tons of dumb photos of me doing stupid **** when I was 21.

He's holding a wad of cash that he probably won in the casino, and unlike Theo Fleury, was smart enough to not stick it in his suitcase when he flies home. He's excited that he won, so he's taking a pic of him being a baller. Course...his dress is unacceptable.

And he wona bunch of cash...he's not a serial killer. thats a bit of a stretch.

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No jealousy here. I actually dislike money and see it for what it really is a control device. I think this type of behaviour speaks volumes about the way society views material possessions. When I was his age, we had a phrase for people taking pics doing stupid things like this, it was "heat score". I personally would love to see that money fall off that balcony, maybe it would teach him some type of lesson, but I doubt that, because he seems like the type of person that doesn't learn from their mistakes.


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I laughed when I saw the photo, but realized some would make it into something big.

Sure, this was a dumb PR move and nobody likes a bragger, but I really don't care if Kane brags so long as he scores goals. They are athletes, not our friends. Not sure how a stack of cash is more offensive than Bogo tweeting a picture of a new pickup truck or his new house. It is their money, they can spend it as they wish.
They're role models. Kids look up to them. Do we really want that type of persona being glamorized? I don't. I think it makes for a poorly unethical world.

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12-19-2012, 12:09 PM
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We should be proud of Kaner for being smart with his money. He is missing paychecks and he still has fat stacks!! Also, he doesn't do drugs. See... #rolemodel

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No jealousy here. I actually dislike money and see it for what it really is a control device. I think this type of behaviour speaks volumes about the way society views material possessions. When I was his age, we had a phrase for people taking pics doing stupid things like this, it was "heat score". I personally would love to see that money fall off that balcony, maybe it would teach him some type of lesson, but I doubt that, because he seems like the type of person that doesn't learn from their mistakes.
Then why the sour grapes? I wish I had that stack of cash, Im waiting on EI and being right before Xmas things are tight, but I don't hold disdain for the kid because he took a funny picture with all his money.

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They're role models. Kids look up to them. Do we really want that type of persona being glamorized? I don't. I think it makes for a poorly unethical world.
Well, no, obviously. But the most important role model to your children...is you.

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I find his sweatpants the most distasteful part of the picture.

HUGE non-issue for me. As long as he makes time for training I'm fine with him doing this stuff.

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They're role models. Kids look up to them. Do we really want that type of persona being glamorized? I don't. I think it makes for a poorly unethical world.
What type of persona? The same one you will see in just about every music video? The same thing that you will see in huge cross sections of the NBA and NFL? The same persona that you will see in Gossip Girl or any other number of mainstream television shows.

You can teach a kid what's important and they will select their role models accordingly.

Kane is hardly the problem.

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Then why the sour grapes? I wish I had that stack of cash, Im waiting on EI and being right before Xmas things are tight, but I don't hold disdain for the kid because he took a funny picture with all his money.
Personally, I have money. I would never do something arrogant like taking a pic of it. I have no issues that he makes money or how he spends it. I do have an issue with his blatant flaunting of it. We live in a world where many struggle everyday for food, water and a place to live. I think of it as a slap in those peoples faces and I'm no socialist.

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Why do we hold him to a higher standard then we do ourselves? As I've said...I have alot of dumb pictures of myself on facebook.
Why shouldn't we? Do you not think the Jets organization and the PA are discussing this with him? I have no doubt that he's had some talks with the Jets org in the past year regarding some of the other stuff thats gone on around him. You and I don't have huge organizations and thousands and thousands of fans paying attention to what we are doing. In other words, he's got people around him who are more than qualified to offer him mentoring and guidance on how to handle himself and yet he appears not to be paying attention, or he's not smart enough to get it. I think things like this are indications of some potentially serious character flaws that could be a problem on the ice. Hes young, but he's not that young. Does he see himself as a lone wolf that doesn't need to listen to anyone? That's not good for the team is it?

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Well, no, obviously. But the most important role model to your children...is you.
I couldn't agree more. That still doesn't mean that children don't look up to sports figures as role models, it's part of the job. I used to look up to athletes when I was a child and I can't remember these types of behaviours from any of them. It seems that more athletes are irresponsible to the younger generation tha past athletes ever were. To me that's not a positive thing.

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No jealousy here. I actually dislike money and see it for what it really is a control device. I think this type of behaviour speaks volumes about the way society views material possessions. When I was his age, we had a phrase for people taking pics doing stupid things like this, it was "heat score". I personally would love to see that money fall off that balcony, maybe it would teach him some type of lesson, but I doubt that, because he seems like the type of person that doesn't learn from their mistakes.
"Heat score" is a reference to "heat" from the law, generally reserved for people are engaged in criminal activity and don't do a good job of hiding it. Between that and the serial killer talk... Ugh... This kid isn't breaking the law. He is goofing around and having fun. Even the moral argument is suspect IMO.

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What type of persona? The same one you will see in just about every music video? The same thing that you will see in huge cross sections of the NBA and NFL? The same persona that you will see in Gossip Girl or any other number of mainstream television shows.

You can teach a kid what's important and they will select their role models accordingly.

Kane is hardly the problem.
Did you not see my comment about the rap video? I agree that those types of persona's make for a worse world, when children are exposed to them through different types of media. I'm no fan of the mainstream media for the way they pander their commercialism and other agenda's.

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I couldn't agree more. That still doesn't mean that children don't look up to sports figures as role models, it's part of the job. I used to look up to athletes when I was a child and I can't remember these types of behaviours from any of them. It seems that more athletes are irresponsible to the younger generation tha past athletes ever were. To me that's not a positive thing.
People looking up to athletes is a learned behavior. I have always enjoyed sports, but for me it was always admiration of athletic accomplishments, but it was never about players as role models. If the two connect, that is great but they shouldn't be expected to at a higher rate than actors, musicians or any other type of entertainer.

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12-19-2012, 12:25 PM
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I couldn't agree more. That still doesn't mean that children don't look up to sports figures as role models, it's part of the job. I used to look up to athletes when I was a child and I can't remember these types of behaviours from any of them. It seems that more athletes are irresponsible to the younger generation tha past athletes ever were. To me that's not a positive thing.
There wasn't near the social media that there is now that records their every move. hockey used to be filled with drug and alcohol problems, we just didn't hear about it.

Also...of course you wouldn't flaunt the money you now have, nor would I, we're not 21 years old. Granted, I have no money to flaunt...but you get the idea.

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"Heat score" is a reference to "heat" from the law, generally reserved for people are engaged in criminal activity and don't do a good job of hiding it. Between that and the serial killer talk... Ugh... This kid isn't breaking the law. He is goofing around and having fun. Even the moral argument is suspect IMO.
You admit to laughing at this type of behaviour. Are you that desensitized to immoral and ethical issues? Do you not see that laughing at that type of behaviour allows for it to continue? Would you laugh if you saw a child being teased or bullied? How about an animal being chased and scared? I'm curious as to how far is too far, when it comes to ethics? I don't make excuses for these types of behaviours. Why do you feel the nee to defend them?

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Why shouldn't we? Do you not think the Jets organization and the PA are discussing this with him? I have no doubt that he's had some talks with the Jets org in the past year regarding some of the other stuff thats gone on around him. You and I don't have huge organizations and thousands and thousands of fans paying attention to what we are doing. In other words, he's got people around him who are more than qualified to offer him mentoring and guidance on how to handle himself and yet he appears not to be paying attention, or he's not smart enough to get it. I think things like this are indications of some potentially serious character flaws that could be a problem on the ice. Hes young, but he's not that young. Does he see himself as a lone wolf that doesn't need to listen to anyone? That's not good for the team is it?
He's 21. I was still egging houses then (If you live in the Westwood area, I'm sorry...).We would get all juiced up, and cruise around doing stupid stuff like that. He took a picture with his money that I assume he won in vegas...its not like he killed a kitten and posted on twitter. Just cash guys. Who cares? Is it hurting you? No.

someone will probably take him aside and tell him to smarten up and pull his head out of his ass. However that's on them to do. We've all been there. We've all done it. Get over it. Its not a big deal. Its a little funny actually.

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You admit to laughing at this type of behaviour. Are you that desensitized to immoral and ethical issues? Do you not see that laughing at that type of behaviour allows for it to continue? Would you laugh if you saw a child being teased or bullied? How about an animal being chased and scared? I'm curious as to how far is too far, when it comes to ethics? I don't make excuses for these types of behaviours. Why do you feel the nee to defend them?
When he kills a kitten and posts it on twitter...its too far. However this is a kid just being a kid. Its not hurting you. It doesn't even affect you in the grand scheme of things.

He's not picking on a child. He's not hurting anybody...just using a fat stack of cash as a phone. It kind of makes his level of education suspect, if he thinks that it could work. I don't care how much money it is...you'll never be able to talk through it..,.

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If this was the only thing that had happened involving Kane, I'd write it off like you. Its not the only thing. Its just the latest in a long string of things and to me its just more indication that "where there's smoke there's fire."


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There wasn't near the social media that there is now that records their every move. hockey used to be filled with drug and alcohol problems, we just didn't hear about it.

Also...of course you wouldn't flaunt the money you now have, nor would I, we're not 21 years old. Granted, I have no money to flaunt...but you get the idea.
This is obviously the ugly part of social media. I still can't understand the concept of caring about someones life (that you don't know) that much to want to know about their everyday activities. People give up their privacy way to easily nowadays IMO. I've never been into the whole gossip and drama lifestyle, so I guess I find it less than amusing.

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You admit to laughing at this type of behaviour. Are you that desensitized to immoral and ethical issues? Do you not see that laughing at that type of behaviour allows for it to continue? Would you laugh if you saw a child being teased or bullied? How about an animal being chased and scared? I'm curious as to how far is too far, when it comes to ethics? I don't make excuses for these types of behaviours. Why do you feel the nee to defend them?
Kane isn't hurting anyone or bullying anyone. That is a terrible analogy.

The moral and ethical issue at hand is: a) a matter of opinion b) not a major issue

It is fine and dandy that you hate society, but Kane isn't a major offender by any standards. So long as Kane isn't hurting people I really don't give a flying fart what he does.

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Why shouldn't we? Do you not think the Jets organization and the PA are discussing this with him? I have no doubt that he's had some talks with the Jets org in the past year regarding some of the other stuff thats gone on around him. You and I don't have huge organizations and thousands and thousands of fans paying attention to what we are doing. In other words, he's got people around him who are more than qualified to offer him mentoring and guidance on how to handle himself and yet he appears not to be paying attention, or he's not smart enough to get it. I think things like this are indications of some potentially serious character flaws that could be a problem on the ice. Hes young, but he's not that young. Does he see himself as a lone wolf that doesn't need to listen to anyone? That's not good for the team is it?
well due to the lockout Kane doesn't have access to his TNSE pr guy.

Furthermore, he would have been taken out of a normal education stream at what, 14? that's when you develope most of your critical thinking- atheletes coming from these situations ARE NOT your average citizen.

Now sure, maybe he could have checked with andrew ladd, or some other teammate for advice on wether he should post this picture of him with money. Or, maybe he was drunk and didn't think to consider his actions. He got the picture taken while goofing around, having fun, thought "thats hilariours" [tweet].

If you want to expect a 21 yearold athlete to be a mature professional, be prepared to be let down again, and again, and again.

I know a guy.

when he ws 21, he played in a band, spent most of his money on cocaine, and was blackout drunk 3-4 nights a week.

He's 25 now. Has a house, a professional career, doesn't do drugs, and maybe drinks a little too much every couple of weeks.

Maybe some of you were far more mature at 21- I wasn't. Maybe, you just didn't have a hole lot of spare time because you spent all of it at university/studieing/working. I didn't.

21 is pretty young, especially when we pretty much tell these guys they're not allowed to have childhood because it has to be spent practicing/training/playing the next big game.

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This is obviously the ugly part of social media. I still can't understand the concept of caring about someones life (that you don't know) that much to want to know about their everyday activities. People give up their privacy way to easily nowadays IMO. I've never been into the whole gossip and drama lifestyle, so I guess I find it less than amusing.
Yeah. That part of Twitter sucks. I don't get it either.

But I love Twitter! It is a great way to get up to the minute news an connect with like-minded people. Facebook makes me want to throw beer at my friends. Twitter makes me want to share beers with strangers.

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Taking a picture of money = bullying small children and animal abuse! You heard it here first people.

Kane has an elite talent. He's a top 700 hockey player in the world and people are willing to pay crazy money to watch him play. He deserves his money and deserves to be proud of it

He's also 21 and probably drunk. Are you all honestly going to tell me you never made any immature choices while drunk and in your early 20's? I know I have. I suppose if you guys were all mature adults at 18 feel free to judge, but I find that hard to believe.


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well due to the lockout Kane doesn't have access to his TNSE pr guy.

Furthermore, he would have been taken out of a normal education stream at what, 14? that's when you develope most of your critical thinking- atheletes coming from these situations ARE NOT your average citizen.

Now sure, maybe he could have checked with andrew ladd, or some other teammate for advice on wether he should post this picture of him with money. Or, maybe he was drunk and didn't think to consider his actions. He got the picture taken while goofing around, having fun, thought "thats hilariours" [tweet].

If you want to expect a 21 yearold athlete to be a mature professional, be prepared to be let down again, and again, and again.

I know a guy.

when he ws 21, he played in a band, spent most of his money on cocaine, and was blackout drunk 3-4 nights a week.

He's 25 now. Has a house, a professional career, doesn't do drugs, and maybe drinks a little too much every couple of weeks.

Maybe some of you were far more mature at 21- I wasn't. Maybe, you just didn't have a hole lot of spare time because you spent all of it at university/studieing/working. I didn't.

21 is pretty young, especially when we pretty much tell these guys they're not allowed to have childhood because it has to be spent practicing/training/playing the next big game.
Me neither! We should form a club, and we'll call it "We were stupid when we were 21!"

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