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09-16-2012, 05:31 PM
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Without looking into the math or anything, I think we have just as good of a chance of getting a high draft pick whether there is a lockout for the full season as if we play hockey. Because of that, I choose play hockey and no lockout.

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09-16-2012, 05:38 PM
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I thought I read that the NBA owned a team that either won the lottery or picked very high so it can happen.
That was the New Orlenas Hornets who got the 1st pick in the 2012 NBA Draft and at one point they were owned by the NBA. However before their Draft Lottery and the Draft itself happened, they were sold to Tom Benson who also owns the New Orlenas Saints of the NFL. So no NBA team owned by the league has ever had the 1st overall pick in their Draft.

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09-16-2012, 06:14 PM
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Yes, the Leafs will be awarded a top 5 pick because there is a lockout.
That's not the way they did it last time, they had a lottery and Pittsburgh got Crosby Anahiem got #2 and Bobby Ryan, Montreal droped down and got Price.

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Due to the lock out there should be an auction for the picks.

The proceeds should go to revenue sharing.

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That was the New Orlenas Hornets who got the 1st pick in the 2012 NBA Draft and at one point they were owned by the NBA. However before their Draft Lottery and the Draft itself happened, they were sold to Tom Benson who also owns the New Orlenas Saints of the NFL. So no NBA team owned by the league has ever had the 1st overall pick in their Draft.
Yeah that was it. I don't give a crap about basketball but heard about it on PTS. That's when David Stern asked Jim Rome, "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" in response to Rome asking him if the draft was rigged. That's some good radio.

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I thought I read that the NBA owned a team that either won the lottery or picked very high so it can happen.

Also, the Leafs wouldn't have the best chance. They'd share that honor with a few other teams.
stern told anybody that buys the hornets we will give you the 1st pick and blam whadda you know it actually happens

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09-16-2012, 08:13 PM
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We have 0 chance at 1st overall because Bettman will give to the Coyotes or whoever else is on the verge of bankruptcy in the States.
hence how the Oilers won it over the Blue Jackets and other unprofitable American teams the last three years....

...oh, wait, right, that doesn't make any sense.

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Due to the lock out there should be an auction for the picks.

The proceeds should go to revenue sharing.
That is by FAR the worst team in the NHL.

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I was under the impression that if the entire season was wiped out, then the lottery system would work in such a way that each team is eligible to get a maximum of three lottery balls to a minimum of one lottery ball, depending on three factors: playoff appearances in the last five years, Cup championships in the last five years, and first overall picks in the last years. For every one of those eliminators that a team qualifies for, a lottery ball is removed. So a team like Toronto (and I think they're the only one) will have three balls since the Leafs haven't experienced any of those three things. Edmonton, for example, would have a ball eliminated on account of the first overall selections they've had each of the last three years, etc.

I could be wrong on how this all works though. I could have sworn I'd read this somewhere though.

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That is by FAR the worst team in the NHL.
You think it would be worse than 2nd. worst?

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That's not the way they did it last time, they had a lottery and Pittsburgh got Crosby Anahiem got #2 and Bobby Ryan, Montreal droped down and got Price.
Montreal actually went up to 5th overall and that's how they got to select Carey Price.

It was the Rangers who had one of the best chances to get 1st overall and dropped.

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You think it would be worse than 2nd. worst?
Yes. As I said, it would be by FAR the worst team in the league with little to no potential to get any better.

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Question

If Leafs end up with 2nd overall


Nathan is gone to whomever

Seth Jones next ranked and yet again a Dman, do we draft him?? And then what is any move after that given we have Percy, Blacker, Finn, Rielly all near term

It might be a realistic scenario

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hence how the Oilers won it over the Blue Jackets and other unprofitable American teams the last three years....

...oh, wait, right, that doesn't make any sense.
Wasn't after a lockout was it? There you go.

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09-17-2012, 05:22 PM
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I was under the impression that if the entire season was wiped out, then the lottery system would work in such a way that each team is eligible to get a maximum of three lottery balls to a minimum of one lottery ball, depending on three factors: playoff appearances in the last five years, Cup championships in the last five years, and first overall picks in the last years. For every one of those eliminators that a team qualifies for, a lottery ball is removed. So a team like Toronto (and I think they're the only one) will have three balls since the Leafs haven't experienced any of those three things. Edmonton, for example, would have a ball eliminated on account of the first overall selections they've had each of the last three years, etc.

I could be wrong on how this all works though. I could have sworn I'd read this somewhere though.
That was the method that was used in 2005. However, I believe that how all these things are handled is a part of the settlement and are negotiated between the NHL and NHLPA, so they might end up using a completely different system if a full-season lockout were to occur again.

However, I would suggest not worrying about what happens in the case of a full-season lockout until there is one. And based on 2004-05, they're not likely to decided to cancel the whole season until mid-February. If the lockout does not last a full season, things like draft position will be determined normally (barring any changes in the procedure negotiated in the new CBA).

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09-17-2012, 06:06 PM
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Question

If Leafs end up with 2nd overall


Nathan is gone to whomever

Seth Jones next ranked and yet again a Dman, do we draft him?? And then what is any move after that given we have Percy, Blacker, Finn, Rielly all near term

It might be a realistic scenario
hell yes you draft him

we can always flip our organizational depth at D to fill other holes

always draft BPA and go from there

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Wasn't after a lockout was it? There you go.
Does it matter? If people want to cry foul play on the NHL for rigging drafts, why would the NHL shaft CBJ, a team desperately in need of that potential superstar first overall?

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Does it matter? If people want to cry foul play on the NHL for rigging drafts, why would the NHL shaft CBJ, a team desperately in need of that potential superstar first overall?
Process is different.

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The 1st round picks Columbus has from the Rangers and Kings won't increase their chances of getting the 1st overall pick. The NHL would go by the Rangers and Kings records from the 2011-2012 season, so chances are those picks are between 25th - 30th overall.
Not really. A lot of teams only have 1 and the Jackets really get 5 balls. They have a 10 percent chance.

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Not really. A lot of teams only have 1 and the Jackets really get 5 balls. They have a 10 percent chance.
Chances are the Blue Jackets would win the 1st overall pick with one of their original 3 balls. So I think the chances of winning it with the Rangers or Kings 1st round pick is very slim based on their records from 2011-2012. In any Draft when a team trades for a 1st round pick that pick is based upon where the team trading the pick finishes in the standings or playoffs. You would think the Rangers and Kings picks would end up between 25th - 30th for the Blue Jackets.

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Bettman would be smart enough to tread very carefully in regards to the lottery draw. If the Coyotes "were picked" for 1st overall, then he would not escape the wrath from both fans and media outfits alike and would ineveitably be forced to resign as people aren't that stupid to put 2 and 2 together.
it basically just happened in the NBA, where #1 picks matter so much more. people were suspicious. people complained. nothing happened. i don't believe sports leagues are rigged, but i definitely now believe they're capable of getting away with it.

as for the Leafs, under the old lockout lotto system we wouldn't benefit much, but one with a bigger reward for bad teams over the last 3-5 seasons would be huge for us.

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I am going to be radically different and say we have a better chance at first at 6% with the lockout then if we played the season because I believe our team will improve. Even if Burke made no further changes experience and a solid penalty killing center suggests we will improve considering how young our team is.

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That was the New Orlenas Hornets who got the 1st pick in the 2012 NBA Draft and at one point they were owned by the NBA. However before their Draft Lottery and the Draft itself happened, they were sold to Tom Benson who also owns the New Orlenas Saints of the NFL. So no NBA team owned by the league has ever had the 1st overall pick in their Draft.
It was still rigged. I bet that was one of the stipulations by Benson was that you give me the 1st overall pick or I walk away. C'mon now.

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If Leafs end up with 2nd overall


Nathan is gone to whomever

Seth Jones next ranked and yet again a Dman, do we draft him?? And then what is any move after that given we have Percy, Blacker, Finn, Rielly all near term

It might be a realistic scenario
Sean Monahan. He's going to be something.

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