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09-30-2012, 03:54 PM
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All Leafs Draft Team

Just for fun, I've put together the best 20-man roster possible of players drafted only by the Leafs between 1998 and 2008:

Kulemin - Steen - Antropov
Stalberg - Wellwood - Tlusty
Ponikarovski - Boyes - Frattin
Mitchell - Stajan - Hayes

Gunnarsson - White
Colaiacovo - Schenn
Stralman - Holzer

Rask
Reimer

Looking at this roster shows just how bad the Leafs have been at the draft in recent history (obviously too early to tell what Burke's picks will turn out to be). Don't get me wrong, there is some talent in that line up, but it is completely void of star power. It seems that most teams have had no trouble drafting stars, even in the mid to late rounds. The Leafs first round picks don't even work out for them, and with the amount of picks they have made in this time span you would think they would have at least lucked out with a diamond in the rough.

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Hayes makes the team but not Kadri?

Awesome list chief.

Edit: Saw it was to 2008. My bad.

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Among the list of players you picked the only ones I wish the Leafs still had today is Rask & Steen.

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Among the list of players you picked the only ones I wish the Leafs still had today is Rask & Steen.
I second this.

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Leafs drafting record is directly proportional to the limited amount of team success in the past 20 years.

When its not "draft schmaft" by trading away picks, its average results at best from actual selections made.

Its been 25 years (Vinny Damphousse) since the Leafs drafted a PPG player in any draft in any round.

The main group of amateur scouts that worked for Quinn, were passed on to JFJ, and then now on to Burke for the most part with a few minor additions and the only significant change is when JFJ replace director of amateur scouting Barry Trapp, with Dave Morrison. So even the 2009-2012 drafts will be reflective based on same personnel talent evaluation.

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Ian White is a solid two-way defenseman who the Leafs could really use right now.

I've always thought Rask would have never worked out in Toronto. He's a complete hot head, so the chances of his staying cool behind a terribly porous defensive system are slim. I think he would have been thrown on the scrap heap that is the Leafs ruined goaltenders (Raycroft, Toskala, Pogge, Gustavsson, etc.). Getting traded to Boston was the best thing that could have happened to him and his caeer.

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No one knows how his progress may have gone but Rask would have been a good piece to keep around. Steen as well.

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Leafs drafting record is directly proportional to the limited amount of team success in the past 20 years.

When its not "draft schmaft" by trading away picks, its average results at best from actual selections made.

Its been 25 years (Vinny Damphousse) since the Leafs drafted a PPG player in any draft in any round.
It really is amazing how bad it's been. Just based on the law of averages, the Leafs have to have a star in the current prospect pool, or at least will draft on in the next few years.

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It really is amazing how bad it's been. Just based on the law of averages, the Leafs have to have a star in the current prospect pool, or at least will draft on in the next few years.
Morgan Rielly, hopefully.

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We were either cup contenders or playoff contenders during those years, and we were trading high picks left and right to try and push us over the top.

I'm not sure why people are so surprised at the results.

You could do this for multiple teams and get worse.

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Steen & Colaiacovo for Stempniak.

Brutal.

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During that time span the Leafs traded 3 1sts and some 2nds, so ya the line-up is a bit thin.

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Steen & Colaiacovo for Stempniak.

Brutal.
That was Fletcher trying to pull one more rabbit out of his hat before handing over the reins to Burke.

I would have liked to have seen what Burke could have done wiht those assets.

We might still have White and got Iggy along with Phaneuf.

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We were either cup contenders or playoff contenders during those years, and we were trading high picks left and right to try and push us over the top.

I'm not sure why people are so surprised at the results.

You could do this for multiple teams and get worse.
Yeah just look at the Sharks the past few years. Playoff contenders with cup aspirations and they have arguably the worst prospect pool in the league. They did pick up Couture in '07, but not having a first round pick from '08-'11 is a pretty similar situation that the Leafs were in. (Yes I know they drafted Coyle, but he was traded not long after for Burns)

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We were either cup contenders or playoff contenders during those years, and we were trading high picks left and right to try and push us over the top.

I'm not sure why people are so surprised at the results.

You could do this for multiple teams and get worse.
That's a great point. From at least 1999 - 2004 when the Leafs made the Playoffs and kept their 1st round pick you knew it would be between 20-30, so it's easy to say they should have taken this player and not the one they choose. Even though Alex Steen was a good pick the next player selected right after him was Cam Ward, so looking back you can say why didn't the Leafs pick him? As for the years when they traded away their 1st round pick like in 2003 it's easy to say now the Leafs should have kept it and not traded for Owen Nolan. However they were going for the Stanley Cup and if they didn't make a move like that at the time people would complain about them doing nothing at the trade deadline.

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Err....an all-time list would make me feel much better about myself.

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we've trading a **** tonne of great picks for guys like; nolan, leetch, francis, housley, niewendyke, roberts. Some of these guys were signed as UFA and some traded for. who and what lol.

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we've trading a **** tonne of great picks for guys like; nolan, leetch, francis, housley, niewendyke, roberts. Some of these guys were signed as UFA and some traded for. who and what lol.
Among those players only Roberts and Nieuwendyk were signed as UFA's.

Nolan, Leetch, Francis & Housley were all aquired via trades.

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Among those players only Roberts and Nieuwendyk were signed as UFA's.

Nolan, Leetch, Francis & Housley were all aquired via trades.
thought so... mogilny was ufa as well i believe.

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thought so... mogilny was ufa as well i believe.
Yes Mogilny was signed as a UFA on July 3, 2001.

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Leafs drafting record is directly proportional to the limited amount of team success in the past 20 years.

When its not "draft schmaft" by trading away picks, its average results at best from actual selections made.

Its been 25 years (Vinny Damphousse) since the Leafs drafted a PPG player in any draft in any round.

The main group of amateur scouts that worked for Quinn, were passed on to JFJ, and then now on to Burke for the most part with a few minor additions and the only significant change is when JFJ replace director of amateur scouting Barry Trapp, with Dave Morrison. So even the 2009-2012 drafts will be reflective based on same personnel talent .
I don't know if you remember but I made a huge deal about our terrible drafting dating back 20 years + or maybe even more.

This team is supposedly one of the most prestigious teams in all of major North American sports and I can guaranty you we have the worst drafting record. Even if its unfair to compare a hockey draft to that of baseball or basketball but its laughable how bad our draft is comparing to our original six counter parts in hockey going 20 or even 30 years back.

And surprisingly, I actually saw people making positive cases for our scouting.


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Yeah just look at the Sharks the past few years. Playoff contenders with cup aspirations and they have arguably the worst prospect pool in the league. They did pick up Couture in '07, but not having a first round pick from '08-'11 is a pretty similar situation that the Leafs were in. (Yes I know they drafted Coyle, but he was traded not long after for Burns)
At least they traded picks for guys that will contribute for a while. We traded them for players who were in the twilight of their careers.

Our drafting when we keep our picks has been pretty impressive.

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Fingers crossed for the Burke era picks. I feel like there's a distinct improvement in the quality of the picks. A lot of depth on defense. You also have to remember how few times the Leafs picked top five, or even top ten in that time frame. A lot of those picks start in the bottom third of the first round, and later. No excuse for the traded picks.

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Among those players only Roberts and Nieuwendyk were signed as UFA's.

Nolan, Leetch, Francis & Housley were all aquired via trades.
Here are the picks lost in those trades....(prospects involved in trades already selected by leafs in brackets)

Francis - Jared Boll
Leetch- Michael Sauer, Kris Chucko (, Kondratiev, Immonen)
Nolan - Mark Stuart (McCauley, Boyes)
Housley -Chris Porter and Karel Hromas

Clearly, the one that stung was the Nolan trade. Boll is a useful player right now. But you rent hall of famers, you have to give up something.

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