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09-18-2012, 09:21 AM
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Where/when are those quotes from, ULF?
Today's Globe has a lot of the same quotes from Reimer, as you can see here.

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09-18-2012, 09:25 AM
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**** Allaire!!

Not only did he get paid for three years, but he ruined Toskala and Gustavsson by trying to get them to block pucks when their stats were amazing being athletic and acrobatic.

Tim Thomas, Dominic Hasek, Brodeur come to mind.

Some goalies are not meant to play the Allaire style.

GOOD RIDDANCE!

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09-18-2012, 10:06 AM
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I wonder what Allaire and Reimer mean by these quotes. The 'too many cooks in the kitchen'. Who could they be talking about. Did Cronin, Farrish or Gordon involve themselves too much. After these comments, clarification by the team will definitely need to occur, and how it will be addressed.


But I agree, good riddance

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09-18-2012, 10:26 AM
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Whichever scenario you consider the "real" story here to be, the accountability ultimately starts and stops with Burke:

1. Allaire never had enough goaltending talent to work with here: Burke is responsible for bringing in the player talent, so that falls on him, not Allaire

2. Allaire's approach is/was inappropriate for the Leafs goalies: Allaire was Burke's hire, and very highly touted by Burke at that, so Burke believed in him, so strongly in fact that he offered to renew his contract

3. Allaire wasn't given enough time with the goalies and was unable to coach them the way he wanted so he left in frustration: Burke is ultimately responsible for making sure the coaching is organized properly and coordinated in their approach. If there were issues behind the scenes as Allaire and Reimer imply, that's indicative of a flawed organization and poor coaching talent in it.

4. Allaire wasn't optimistic enough that things would improve under Carlyle versus Wilson and Allaire has already worked with Carlyle: this is perhaps most worrisome and again, lies at the feet of Burke.

Ultimately, regardless of what you think of Allaire and his coaching technique, the fact that Burke offered Allaire an extension and he said "Thanks, but no thanks" doesn't give you confidence in the staff or the organization. They sound flawed and its uninspiring.

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09-18-2012, 10:37 AM
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I'm so glad Allaire is gone.

He can only successfully work with one style of goaltender.

If he comes across someone with a different style, such as Gustavsson, he can't help the goalie through his struggles because Allaires only solution seems to be "change your playing style to what I want because it's worked before" which is completely ridiculous. A goalie coach should be adaptive and be able to recognize the little tweaks that a goalie might need to do to their style to improve. Not tell that goalie to abandon their style entirely and learn a new one (while they're in their 20s or 30s as well).

Hopefully the next guy they bring in will nurture the style already played by the goalies, because that's the style that got them this far. Why screw with it?

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09-18-2012, 10:41 AM
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maybe Detroit will hire Allaire!! lol

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09-18-2012, 10:42 AM
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“No one was complaining about Allaire when Gustavsson was carrying the team in December. But I guess he’s the next thing. They’ve gone after the coach, after me, now it’s the goalie coach. Who’s next? Dave Morrison, our chief scout?

-Brian Burke

Seriously I can't wait until this crybaby is out of here. He accepts no responsibility for anything. Its quite pathetic.
So far at the end of every year he has blamed himself for the lousy seasons, maybe you should check your facts a little more before you come on here and bother us with your childish rants.

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09-18-2012, 10:45 AM
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Something is wrong in the Leafs organization when it comes to goaltending. In the past we attritbuted it to coaching(Wilson) or talent(Gustavsson, Toskala). Lack of experience, depth, defensive style...etc. All of those things are worthy...however:


Let's be honest, only Raycroft has put in the most productive year since the lockout. Everyone since has had mixed results or only short term success.

Allaire was brought in here to fix the goaltending inadequacies. But nothing changed. This team will never be a contender until the goaltending issues are fixed.

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09-18-2012, 11:11 AM
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09-18-2012, 01:56 PM
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In all seriousness, Belfour was slated to be the Blues goaltending coach a couple years ago (in Peoria)...before he just got up and left to go build his house midway through
Then they got Corey Hirsh from the Leafs as their Goaltending Coach.

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09-18-2012, 02:12 PM
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Whichever scenario you consider the "real" story here to be, the accountability ultimately starts and stops with Burke:

1. Allaire never had enough goaltending talent to work with here: Burke is responsible for bringing in the player talent, so that falls on him, not Allaire

2. Allaire's approach is/was inappropriate for the Leafs goalies: Allaire was Burke's hire, and very highly touted by Burke at that, so Burke believed in him, so strongly in fact that he offered to renew his contract

3. Allaire wasn't given enough time with the goalies and was unable to coach them the way he wanted so he left in frustration: Burke is ultimately responsible for making sure the coaching is organized properly and coordinated in their approach. If there were issues behind the scenes as Allaire and Reimer imply, that's indicative of a flawed organization and poor coaching talent in it.

4. Allaire wasn't optimistic enough that things would improve under Carlyle versus Wilson and Allaire has already worked with Carlyle: this is perhaps most worrisome and again, lies at the feet of Burke.

Ultimately, regardless of what you think of Allaire and his coaching technique, the fact that Burke offered Allaire an extension and he said "Thanks, but no thanks" doesn't give you confidence in the staff or the organization. They sound flawed and its uninspiring.
I agree with your points except for #3. Burke has always stated the Head Coach is responsible for the coaching staff and he doesn't get involved.

Regardless I would blame either or both of Wilson and Carlyle for the crowded goalie staff. I would also blame Allaire for not getting his ice time because thats ridiculous. Ice can be available at all times! Unless there's a rule about specific practice times for players and coaching staff.

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09-18-2012, 02:21 PM
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Strange he wouldn't give the same coaching staff he had in Anaheim a bit of a leash. I can understand if Wilson was still around and he left, but with Carlyle it at least seems they'll focus on being more defensively responsible.

Sounds to me like he just wanted out and a fresh start (while getting some shots in on the way) wherever he goes - which is his prerogative after his contract is up.
I was thinking the same thing. But as someone else mentioned, maybe Allaire had a bad feeling about going into the season with only Reimer and Scrivens and no veteran help. It looks like Allaire is trying to spare himself another headache filled season.

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09-18-2012, 02:22 PM
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Isn't that what a good boss does, defends and deflects attention away from his employees?
Yes. I'd love to work for Brian Burke. That's how you build loyalty. Throwing people under the bus is never a good thing.

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09-18-2012, 02:27 PM
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I think Belfour would make a good goalie coach. A bit crazy, but if he can disseminate his work ethic it certainly couldn't hurt.
Was thinking that as well. Belfour was always good positionally and relied on his smarts to achieve success. Whereas Joseph was just a very athletic goalie with good reflexes - not sure that would make a good goalie coach.

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09-18-2012, 02:31 PM
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Allaire is pretty classless, points the blame at anyone but himself and just basically up and leaves and says **** off.
Agreed. If Burke is his friend at all he should have left quietly and kept his mouth shut. All he's done is created trouble for Burke where none existed.

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09-18-2012, 02:37 PM
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I'm glad he's gone. It obviously wasn't working.

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I'm sure he's also glad he's gone from this poorly run supposed empire. Never a day without drama.

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Something is wrong in the Leafs organization when it comes to goaltending. In the past we attritbuted it to coaching(Wilson) or talent(Gustavsson, Toskala). Lack of experience, depth, defensive style...etc. All of those things are worthy...however:


Let's be honest, only Raycroft has put in the most productive year since the lockout. Everyone since has had mixed results or only short term success.

Allaire was brought in here to fix the goaltending inadequacies. But nothing changed. This team will never be a contender until the goaltending issues are fixed.
I would certainly argue (and be right ) that Toskala's first year in Toronto was better than Raycroft's 06-07.

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09-18-2012, 02:48 PM
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Why are there 8 pages about a goalie coach leaving? Do you really care what he has to say??

I mean, good luck to him in the future, but he's a bleeping goalie coach!

Geez, I hope the stick boy doesn't leave and have choice words on his way out, every media outlet in this city will have a front page spread on it....

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Burke/TML just publicly responded to Allaire's comments:

http://blog.mapleleafs.com/burke-bla...ncois-allaire/

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09-18-2012, 03:02 PM
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So far at the end of every year he has blamed himself for the lousy seasons, maybe you should check your facts a little more before you come on here and bother us with your childish rants.

That was Ownership who publicly appologized to the fans in the paper.

all Brian had was this to say:

“I’m trying to build a championship team here,” Burke said. “And that’s very hard to see here today, but the building blocks, the keys that you need – the Phil Kessels, the Joffrey Lupuls, the Jake Gardiners, the Dion Phaneufs, the second line – all those things have been put in place.

“And that’s what can’t be overlooked as you analyze and dissect a season. Even a season that’s marked by failure. I think we’re going in the right direction.”

Rinse.Repeat.

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Burke/TML just publicly responded to Allaire's comments:

http://blog.mapleleafs.com/burke-bla...ncois-allaire/
Comes across as the typical "he didn't leave, I fired him" argument. Don't understand it, just one month before the end of the season (March 3rd) Burke stated: "Francois Allaire is not going anywhere. I think we have the best goalie coach on the planet." -@jonasTSN1050

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Burke/TML just publicly responded to Allaire's comments:

http://blog.mapleleafs.com/burke-bla...ncois-allaire/
Why does BB need to voice his opinion on everything? Just brush it off for once. Uhg.

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Burke/TML just publicly responded to Allaire's comments:

http://blog.mapleleafs.com/burke-bla...ncois-allaire/
hahaha this is good. The wheels are starting to come off.

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Regardless of anyone's opinion of Allaire, if Burke was so unhappy with him, why did he offer him a contract extension? How can Burke square these comments with his own actions?

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