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Players hurt the most if the season is lost

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09-18-2012, 07:00 AM
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Players hurt the most if the season is lost

Which players around the league are in the last year of a big money contract and have no chance of getting that kind of money on their next?

Steve Mason is set to make 3 million dollars for the 2012-2013 season and there is no way he gets anywhere close to that on his next contract. What are some other ones?

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09-18-2012, 07:24 AM
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For the Jets it would be Nik Antropov. He currently has a cap hit of $ 4,062,500, but his actual salary is $ 4,750,000 on the last year of his contract. While he can still play a role he will never see that type of money again.

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Lupul is his last year. I guess this hurts the leafs more then him. If the season were to be canceled hed probably garner a similar contract as to what hes on now.

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Jason Arnott. The guy may never play again now.

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Alfredsson, Selanne, Arnott, etc. Guys who may not play again.

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09-18-2012, 09:37 AM
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Lupul is his last year. I guess this hurts the leafs more then him. If the season were to be canceled hed probably garner a similar contract as to what hes on now.
It would hurt Lupul, he had no time to prove himself worthy of a raise, so what may be a current PPG player will be payed base on his career average with a hint of a 2011/2012 influence, essentially same contract.

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Jarome Iginla, last year of his contract and probably won't play this year. Will have to decide if he wants to chase a cup or retire a Flame

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It would hurt Lupul, he had no time to prove himself worthy of a raise, so what may be a current PPG player will be payed base on his career average with a hint of a 2011/2012 influence, essentially same contract.
Do you really think a PPG player in his prime is going to accept a 4+ million contract as a UFA?

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Mueller and Latendresse. Both looking to revive their careers with small contracts.

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Looking at the top 10 paid players in the league (based off of salary)

1. Weber, Shea D NAS 27 14 $14,000,000
2. Richards, Brad F NYR 32 9 $12,000,000
3. Myers, Tyler D BUF 22 7 $12,000,000
4. Parise, Zach F MIN 28 13 $12,000,000
5. Suter, Ryan D MIN 27 13 $12,000,000
6. Kovalchuk, Ilya F NJD 29 15 $11,000,000
7. Lecavalier, Vincent F TBL 32 11 $10,000,000
8. Malkin, Evgeni F PIT 26 5 $9,000,000
9. Ovechkin, Alex F WAS 27 13 $9,000,000
10. Staal, Eric F CAR 27 7 $8,500,000

Some of that money may be bonus money sure, but for guys like Lecavalier, Richards etc, I don't think it is, I think it is straight salary (correct me if I am wrong) so they are losing a disproportionate amount of their contract values.

Here is a good question, would losing this year change the "cap hit" value of players under these circumstances? For example if the season is lost would Brad Richards' cap hit go down because he has one less year he was supposed to be paid $12M?

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Jarome Iginla, last year of his contract and probably won't play this year. Will have to decide if he wants to chase a cup or retire a Flame
He will resign with Calgary. He doesn't know how to do anything else.

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Do you really think a PPG player in his prime is going to accept a 4+ million contract as a UFA?
Thats the point im trying to make, is he really a PPG player or his he a product of his situation? He is just as likely to regress to his 50 point average rather then his PPG level and the contract should reflect that. He was ovrpayed for what he brought to the table (and dumped because of it), but by the eend of last season it was justified so the same contract may be the fairest solution if a season is not played.

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Looking at the top 10 paid players in the league (based off of salary)

1. Weber, Shea D NAS 27 14 $14,000,000
2. Richards, Brad F NYR 32 9 $12,000,000
3. Myers, Tyler D BUF 22 7 $12,000,000
4. Parise, Zach F MIN 28 13 $12,000,000
5. Suter, Ryan D MIN 27 13 $12,000,000
6. Kovalchuk, Ilya F NJD 29 15 $11,000,000
7. Lecavalier, Vincent F TBL 32 11 $10,000,000
8. Malkin, Evgeni F PIT 26 5 $9,000,000
9. Ovechkin, Alex F WAS 27 13 $9,000,000
10. Staal, Eric F CAR 27 7 $8,500,000

Some of that money may be bonus money sure, but for guys like Lecavalier, Richards etc, I don't think it is, I think it is straight salary (correct me if I am wrong) so they are losing a disproportionate amount of their contract values.

Here is a good question, would losing this year change the "cap hit" value of players under these circumstances? For example if the season is lost would Brad Richards' cap hit go down because he has one less year he was supposed to be paid $12M?
Weber has a $13M signing bonus this year.
Richards has an $8M signing bonus this year.
Myers has a $10M signing bonus this year.
Parise has a $10M signing bonus this year.
Suter has a $10M signing bonus this year.

In general....big new contracts have big signing bonuses. Big older contracts have all salary.

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Stewart loses his chance to rebound and get a bigger contract.

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Jarome Iginla, last year of his contract and probably won't play this year. Will have to decide if he wants to chase a cup or retire a Flame
How does that hurt him? He can look at all possible teams and make the choice he feels is best for him.

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Gotta be Brodeur, so old yet so much responsibility and he isn't in great shape either.

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I may be off here, but Matt Moulson, will he be able to still be a 30 goal scorer in 2013-2014?

Mark Streit, could he retire from the NHL and spend the rest of his career overseas?

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Gotta be Brodeur, so old yet so much responsibility and he isn't in great shape either.
What?

And I'd definitely have to say Alfredsson and Selanne. Two legends that could have their last season erased by a lockout.

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We'll see, would be awfully impressive to see him miss a season and come back strong. It's gotta end sometime, right?

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We'll see, would be awfully impressive to see him miss a season and come back strong. It's gotta end sometime, right?
There's definitely a chance of that happening, but I thought it was unwarranted and misinformed for you to say that he's not in great shape now.

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There's definitely a chance of that happening, but I thought it was unwarranted and misinformed for you to say that he's not in great shape now.
Brodeur seems like he plays himself into shape as the season goes on. The last few years, he has looked A LOT better at the end than the beginning.

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Not really anyone specific but I am sure there are several 1 NHL season type of guys who, instead of making the NHL this year, will be passed over next year and fail to collect a year of NHL salary.

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Brodeur seems like he plays himself into shape as the season goes on. The last few years, he has looked A LOT better at the end than the beginning.
Also somewhat true. But that doesn't mean he's not in shape now.

Ya know what? Whatever.

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Also somewhat true. But that doesn't mean he's not in shape now.

Ya know what? Whatever.
I'm sure he'll re-adjust his training in this scenario. The best thing for all of the old vets would be to come into camp ahead of everyone IMO, especially if it is a half season where they won't wear down.

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It would hurt Lupul, he had no time to prove himself worthy of a raise, so what may be a current PPG player will be payed base on his career average with a hint of a 2011/2012 influence, essentially same contract.
plus he could get injured playing elsewhere during the lockout.

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