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09-19-2012, 01:54 PM
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For as long as a fist to the chops is considered good work in a hockey fight, fighting and hits to the head are linked
Only for lifetime goons.

Kate is right. There is more of a code, or some respect, when it comes to fighting than there is when it comes to some of the hits guys are throwing.

Conceivably, the guy in the fight has an opportunity to defend and protect himself. The guy getting blindsided absolutely cannot.

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09-19-2012, 02:17 PM
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Code aside it's still head contact. Medical conditions don't care about honor codes

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The only way to gurantee everyones safety is to just abolish the sport.
I believe in player safety, but nothing in life is 100%. You take certain risks when you play this game and you have to understand that or not play.
My 8 year old plays, risk in invloved and he can be hurt. I know that now and as he gets older and plays at different levels it can also happen.

I also played and will have a limp for the rest of my life, it is what it is.


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Code aside it's still head contact. Medical conditions don't care about honor codes
Ok, dojji.

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Code aside it's still head contact.
By that rationale, so is combing your hair.

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Branch is trying to do that too. You can't even hit a player with their head down anymore. All that does is teach kids to have their head down all the time.
Oh, you HAVE to be kidding me!

Good lord, someone needs to get that guy out of there PRONTO.

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09-19-2012, 02:59 PM
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I love fighting. Hope the idiots who want to do away with it, go away themselves.

But this is a very nice rule for the CHL and the CHL only. Because the best way to eliminate the goon from the sport is to start at a lower level. If you don't give spots to no skilled goons like Ty Bilcke in the OHL, they won't make their way to the NHL.

Ty Bilcke
http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/9271
http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/16797

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09-19-2012, 03:12 PM
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I love fighting. Hope the idiots who want to do away with it, go away themselves.

But this is a very nice rule for the CHL and the CHL only. Because the best way to eliminate the goon from the sport is to start at a lower level. If you don't give spots to no skilled goons like Ty Bilcke in the OHL, they won't make their way to the NHL.

Ty Bilcke
http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/9271
http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/16797
This was my initial thought, that they're not necessarily doing this for "the safety of the children", but to weed out the goons.

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Lucic had 21 and 18 fights respectively in his 2 full WHL seasons.


I doubt he would be the player he is today if he was limited to 10 a season.

Not to mention, no MVP shift.. already had reached his quota.
come on man...the Bruins drafted Lucic because of his 9 goals in 62 games!

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09-19-2012, 03:13 PM
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I love fighting. Hope the idiots who want to do away with it, go away themselves.

But this is a very nice rule for the CHL and the CHL only. Because the best way to eliminate the goon from the sport is to start at a lower level. If you don't give spots to no skilled goons like Ty Bilcke in the OHL, they won't make their way to the NHL.

Ty Bilcke
http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/9271
http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/16797
That's not the best way to eliminate the goon. You want to eliminate the goon from the sport, drop a roster spot. Instead of dressing 18 yo can now only dress 17.

But let's be realistic here, the fighters aren't ruining the sport, not even close.

It's a stupid rule and one I hope the other leagues don't adopt, it's another rule that adds nothing to the game or addresses the concussion issue. You want less concussions? Teach the players to skate with their ****ing heads up.

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09-19-2012, 03:49 PM
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Sorry, what was the argument for fighting again? You love watching underaged children fight? Many of these children have a mix of ignorance and passion that is limited to junior hockey. Whatever Mr. Branch wants to do to prevent them from ruining the integrity of the game is fine with me.

This is the first step in a process of removing fighting all together.

If you want to let those "of age" fight, go ahead; but limitations in junior leagues are fine with me. Although I would prefer a strict ban.

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Sorry, what was the argument for fighting again? You love watching underaged children fight? Many of these children have a mix of ignorance and passion that is limited to junior hockey. Whatever Mr. Branch wants to do to prevent them from ruining the integrity of the game is fine with me.

This is the first step in a process of removing fighting all together.

If you want to let those "of age" fight, go ahead; but limitations in junior leagues are fine with me. Although I would prefer a strict ban.
Won't anyone think of the children!

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Won't anyone think of the children!
Yeah, they're underaged and undoubtedly feel pressure to fighting.

Why do you support fighting again?

I don't support it because I've heard about the psychological damage it does in the short-term from past enforcers in the league. McSorley and others have explained the nervousness and stress that came from preparing for an upcoming fight. To put that pressure on underaged kids, without benefit, is abhorrent.

If you want to let an adult professional NHLer decide to engage in it, go ahead; but in a league with spots occupied by those under 18, it should not be allowed.

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09-19-2012, 04:24 PM
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If you're going to ban fighting in juniors, when do they learn how to fight properly?

I'd rather a 17 year old sparring with another 17 year old in juniors to get some experience than getting lit up by a 32 year old heavyweight in the AHL or NHL. At least juniors is a bit more of a level playing field skill and experience wise. It's big part of why I wish it was allowed in NCAA. Get instruction at the developmental (and,yes, competitive) level.

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If you're going to ban fighting in juniors, when do they learn how to fight properly?

I'd rather a 17 year old sparring with another 17 year old in juniors to get some experience than getting lit up by a 32 year old heavyweight in the AHL or NHL. At least juniors is a bit more of a level playing field skill and experience wise.
Ideally they don't.

What about the 17 year old going up against the 21 year old vet in the OHL? Should he get some experience when he's 16?

See how that works? I would set the minimum age at 18, so given that the OHL is a junior league I would elimiate fighting.

If you want to fight in the NHL, take a class over the break.

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Ideally they don't.

What about the 17 year old going up against the 21 year old vet in the OHL? Should he get some experience when he's 16?

See how that works? I would set the minimum age at 18, so given that the OHL is a junior league I would elimiate fighting.

If you want to fight in the NHL, take a class over the break.
If you eliminate fighting you will increase the stick work and cheap shots.

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I dont support the ban on fighting but the gap between a 20 year old fighting a 16 year old is MUCH MUCH bigger than a 32 year old fighting a 25 or 26 year old both mentally and physically.

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If you're going to ban fighting in juniors, when do they learn how to fight properly?

I'd rather a 17 year old sparring with another 17 year old in juniors to get some experience than getting lit up by a 32 year old heavyweight in the AHL or NHL. At least juniors is a bit more of a level playing field skill and experience wise. It's big part of why I wish it was allowed in NCAA. Get instruction at the developmental (and,yes, competitive) level.
Is suspending a player after 10 fights banning fighting?

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#OHL Supplementary Discipline: If player is assessed a fighting major for 11-15th time during regular season he receives 2 game suspension
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#OHL Supplementary Discipline: If player assessed 16th fighting major or more in regular season - 2 game suspension and club fined $1,000.00
Seems to me those crying that the OHL is banning fighting are going off the deep end.

I don't see how anyone can advocate for these kids fighting more than 10 times in a season.

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If you eliminate fighting you will increase the stick work and cheap shots.
Will it? Oh well then.

You don't think you could penalize those out of the game as well? Given the age of the players, I think you could easily work to elimate that out of the junior game if that was the response.

It's like you think these players require an outlet, and fighting is acceptable. There is no "outlet" in the NFL or most organized sports. I understand hockey is inherently more violent, but that is a lame excuse, "We need to have it because otherwise our existing rules will be broken more often". The problem isn't with fighting, it's with the rules not being punitively enforced.

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I dont support the ban on fighting but the gap between a 20 year old fighting a 16 year old is MUCH MUCH bigger than a 32 year old fighting a 25 or 26 year old both mentally and physically.
How often does a 16 year old fight a 20 year old in the OHL?

There are what, maybe 1 16 year old per team and 2-3 20 year olds?

Most of these players are 17, 18 and 19.

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Will it? Oh well then.

You don't think you could penalize those out of the game as well? Given the age of the players, I think you could easily work to elimate that out of the junior game if that was the response.

It's like you think these players require an outlet, and fighting is acceptable. There is no "outlet" in the NFL or most organized sports. I understand hockey is inherently more violent, but that is a lame excuse, "We need to have it because otherwise our existing rules will be broken more often". The problem isn't with fighting, it's with the rules not being punitively enforced.
What a wonderful idea. I wonder why no one has ever thought of that?

Oh wait....


You can't compare the NFL to the NHL, hockey is played a much higher speed than the NFL where they play for 25 seconds then stand around for a minute. In the NFL they don't play 82 games per year and playoff series don't last 7 games.

More rules for everyone! YAY!

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How often does a 16 year old fight a 20 year old in the OHL?

There are what, maybe 1 16 year old per team and 2-3 20 year olds?

Most of these players are 17, 18 and 19.
How often do 18 year olds fight 32 year old vets in the NHL? That was what precipitated the comparison.

Thornton had twenty fights last year, here are their ages:

30, 32, 30, 31, 26, 32, 28, 27, 32, 36, 33, 29, 24, 25, 36, 27, 32 and 32

So I'm not sure why we have to worry about 18 year olds defending themselves from heavyweights.

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More rules for everyone! YAY!
More kids with concussions for everyone! YAY!

More kids with stress and pressure to fight! YAY!

All to benefit adults who have a bloodlust! YAY!

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How often do 18 year olds fight 32 year old vets in the NHL? That was what precipitated the comparison.

Thornton had twenty fights last year, here are their ages:

30, 32, 30, 31, 26, 32, 28, 27, 32, 36, 33, 29, 24, 25, 36, 27, 32 and 32

So I'm not sure why we have to worry about 18 year olds defending themselves from heavyweights.
Lucic fought Ivanans in his rookie year.

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More kids with concussions for everyone! YAY!

More kids with stress and pressure to fight! YAY!

All to benefit adults who have a bloodlust! YAY!
Maybe in the near future they just have a bunch of nerds playing NHL13 instead of real games, that way no one gets hurt.

Maybe they could replace the gatorade with breast milk too?

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