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09-19-2012, 02:45 PM
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What happened to Lecavalier?

2 amazing seasons 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 but everything before and after these seasons have been mediocre in comparison.

He was so dominant in these 2 seasons. At that time he was considered the best centre and forward in the game. Now he is not mentioned at all. What happened?

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09-19-2012, 02:50 PM
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He was sad that he wasn't traded to Montreal.

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He was so dominant in these 2 seasons. At that time he was considered the best centre and forward in the game. Now he is not mentioned at all. What happened?
Ovechkin, Crosby, Heatley and Malkin say hello

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Injuries, age..

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He was still pretty damn solid 11 PO's.

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That megacontract sure didn't help.

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He helped cause a lockout

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09-19-2012, 03:30 PM
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Couple of things may be the reason. you never know for sure about such players.

1) Wore down really fast. Some flames just can't burn that long.
2) Mega retirement contract. Some people have a hard time motivating themselves.

He's always kind of been an enigma in a sense. So good for a few years. Fighting and leading. Then just doesn't seem the same anymore.

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09-19-2012, 03:33 PM
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Couple of things may be the reason. you never know for sure about such players.

1) Wore down really fast. Some flames just can't burn that long.
2) Mega retirement contract. Some people have a hard time motivating themselves.
He's always kind of been an enigma in a sense. So good for a few years. Fighting and leading. Then just doesn't seem the same anymore.

That's not exactly true. A lot has to do with his shoulder, thank you Matt Cooke. Last season was his first season since that injury, he said it felt 100% if not close, then he hurt his wrist.

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09-19-2012, 03:35 PM
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Injuries, age..
Pretty much.

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age..
lol hes only 32....his points have declined over 50% in 4 years

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That shoulder injury was a turning point. He hasn't been the same player since.

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lol hes only 32....his points have declined over 50% in 4 years
Not every player ages the same in the sense that some people's skills deteriorate faster than others.

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09-19-2012, 03:48 PM
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The injuries aside - Cooke cheapshot wrecked his shoulder, wrist injury, broken hand last year - he has really changed his game. Much more complete player at both ends of the ice...but that doesn't usually win you a Richard. People who just look at stat sheets and don't follow the team would (perhaps understandably) think he turned into a bum or a has-been.

His role has changed since Guy Boucher arrived, in a number of ways for the better. More balanced scoring means he doesn't have to pot 50 to be effective, and he's finally grown into the "C" on his sweater.

And yes, he's overpaid and Marty St. Louis should probably have worn the C all along.

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09-19-2012, 04:00 PM
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Well...

SeasonShots per gameShooting percentage
98-991.5210.4%
99-002.0815.1%
00-012.4313.9%
01-022.1612.2%
02-033.4312.0%
03-042.9913.2%
05-063.8611.3%
06-074.1315.3%
07-083.9312.6%
08-093.7810.0%
09-103.608.1%
10-113.2311.9%
11-122.8412.1%

Those two seasons his shots per game were only slightly up from the surrounding years, and when that happens with a bump in shooting percentage, you get outlier years which are very unlikely to be repeated. Look at any player who shoots more than 3% over their career average in a given season.

It's no different than Corey Perry shooting 17%+ and scoring 50, or any other player who had a spike in shooting percentage. It makes them look a lot better than they actually are.

TLDR: Lecavalier wasn't actually as good as his point totals indicate those two seasons, but he's also struggled the last 2 seasons with injuries (as you can see by his shots per game) and less prime offensive minutes (see: Stamkos).

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It's like Gomez but not as bad.

Don't ask me what "it" is, though.

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09-19-2012, 04:06 PM
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Matt Cooke.

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Well...

SeasonShots per gameShooting percentage
98-991.5210.4%
99-002.0815.1%
00-012.4313.9%
01-022.1612.2%
02-033.4312.0%
03-042.9913.2%
05-063.8611.3%
06-074.1315.3%
07-083.9312.6%
08-093.7810.0%
09-103.608.1%
10-113.2311.9%
11-122.8412.1%

Those two seasons his shots per game were only slightly up from the surrounding years, and when that happens with a bump in shooting percentage, you get outlier years which are very unlikely to be repeated. Look at any player who shoots more than 3% over their career average in a given season.

It's no different than Corey Perry shooting 17%+ and scoring 50, or any other player who had a spike in shooting percentage. It makes them look a lot better than they actually are.

TLDR: Lecavalier wasn't actually as good as his point totals indicate those two seasons, but he's also struggled the last 2 seasons with injuries (as you can see by his shots per game) and less prime offensive minutes (see: Stamkos).
This is exactly a case of reading into stats far too much, or not even reading them correctly.

First of all his 07-08 shooting percentage isnt much off his avg. Secondly he is exactly as good as those point totals would state. Ask any Tampa fan, Lecavalier is the most talented player on the team, just only lived up to that potential for a season and a half before being riddled with injury.

It is entirely injury based, shoulder injury and both wrists have been operated on in the last 4 seasons. Only said this offseason that he is finally healthy.

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09-19-2012, 04:37 PM
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Well...

SeasonShots per gameShooting percentage
98-991.5210.4%
99-002.0815.1%
00-012.4313.9%
01-022.1612.2%
02-033.4312.0%
03-042.9913.2%
05-063.8611.3%
06-074.1315.3%
07-083.9312.6%
08-093.7810.0%
09-103.608.1%
10-113.2311.9%
11-122.8412.1%

Those two seasons his shots per game were only slightly up from the surrounding years, and when that happens with a bump in shooting percentage, you get outlier years which are very unlikely to be repeated. Look at any player who shoots more than 3% over their career average in a given season.

It's no different than Corey Perry shooting 17%+ and scoring 50, or any other player who had a spike in shooting percentage. It makes them look a lot better than they actually are.

TLDR: Lecavalier wasn't actually as good as his point totals indicate those two seasons, but he's also struggled the last 2 seasons with injuries (as you can see by his shots per game) and less prime offensive minutes (see: Stamkos).
Those shooting percentages aren't actually out of whack with what he was doing before his shoulder injury. (See: the 5 seasons you didn't bold where he was shooting over 12%). I think his problem has really been the unfortunate series of injuries he's hit, in addition to the fact that he's been getting older and getting less prime minutes with Stamkos becoming the star offensive power for Tampa.

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09-19-2012, 04:51 PM
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Matt Cooke's shoulder killed Lecavalier, but something happened in January of 2008 that finished his dominance.

In the first 45 games of the 2007-2008 season, Lecavalier scored 28 goals and had 63 points. In comparison, Ovechkin's first 45 games of that season (his 65 goal campaign) had him at 24 goals and 55 points.


Lecavalier was absolutely unstoppable until January 10, 2008. And, outside of his 2011 playoff run, he's never reached point-per-game since.

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Was suppose to have wrist surgery in the 2008 offseason until that punk Matt Cooke injured his shoulder, forcing him to delay wrist surgery for shoulder surgery so he wouldn't have to rehab both injuries at once. A few more injuries followed the next few seasons. Another key factor in his point totals dropping which is often forgotten is that St. Louis was moved from his line to Stamkos's line.

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Some guys lose form a bit when they have a few injuries in a row. IF he can stay healthy, I think he can be that veteran 2nd liner who can still contribute in most areas that every playoff team would love to add.

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Matt Cooke cheap shot.

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. Ask any Tampa fan, Lecavalier is the most talented player on the team,

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Lmfao, ya right

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