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09-21-2012, 11:55 AM
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Regarding Krejci as someone else mentioned earlier, he would fill in as the tough 1st line center the Leafs are looking for that would not cost as much as Getzlaf. One of Lupul or Grabovski and a draft pick would probably have to go.

Fantasy trades:

Lupul + 3rd rounder for Krejci
Grabovski + 2013 First round pick for Getzlaf
Gardiner (he will not play as well under Carlyle) + Lombardi + Connolly (salary dumps) for Luongo.


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09-21-2012, 12:39 PM
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4th line players may not be heroes to your liking but they come a lot in handy when time is of the essence, thats why players like Kyle Clifford, Dave Bolland, ruslan fedetenko, paille, kelly and so on play crucial roles in a winning team. A team isn't built by stars alone.
Talbot was a beast during Pittsburgh's 09 post-season. Single-handedly won the game along with Fleury in that final game against Detroit. It may be difficult to see guys like Brown, McClement having much of an impact right now, but when games become important, and the team is winning, these are the types of players that usually step up.

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Talbot was a beast during Pittsburgh's 09 post-season. Single-handedly won the game along with Fleury in that final game against Detroit. It may be difficult to see guys like Brown, McClement having much of an impact right now, but when games become important, and the team is winning, these are the types of players that usually step up.
And this is why you are one of my favourite posters.

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09-21-2012, 01:29 PM
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Regarding Krejci as someone else mentioned earlier, he would fill in as the tough 1st line center the Leafs are looking for that would not cost as much as Getzlaf. One of Lupul or Grabovski and a draft pick would probably have to go.

Fantasy trades:

Lupul + 3rd rounder for Krejci
Grabovski + 2013 First round pick for Getzlaf
Gardiner (he will not play as well under Carlyle) + Lombardi + Connolly (salary dumps) for Luongo.
Just between us Leaf fans, I think Paul Stastny is a real possibility and wouldn't cost what Avs fans say on the trade board. Nobody wants to pay a 3rd line center 6.6 million, it's the same problem Pittsburg had with Staal. Maybe Bozak & Liles get it done or Kadri & Liles

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09-21-2012, 01:43 PM
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If we make any trade, pretty sure it will be for Luongo, and the reason it hasn't been done was a mix of Gillis asking too much and CBA uncertainty.

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09-21-2012, 01:58 PM
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Can you link me to this please?

I am not talking about players being placed in the minors, just taking about how players we have in our roster can be easily moved.
Every team has the same options for moving players.

This was from a few weeks ago and some teams have re-upped their higher priced players (stars?). So the numbers are dated, but the signings for the most part have been like Seguin, Kane, not bottom of the barrel types you get on July 1st.

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Where the teams sit.

Contracts are the number of players under contract next year.
Listed: Alphabetically, by number of contracts, and by Cap space.

TeamContractsCap Space MillionsTeamContractsCap SpaceTeamContractsCap Space
Anaheim1141Winnipeg842Dallas1342
Boston1329Phoenix942Phoenix942
Buffalo1323Nashville1030Winnipeg842
Calgary1422Washington1033Anaheim1141
Carolina1420Anaheim1141NY Islanders1140
Chicago1713NY Islanders1140New Jersey1338
Colorado1921St. Louis1238St. Louis1238
Columbus1427Toronto1229Washington1033
Dallas1342Vancouver1219Ottawa1331
Detroit1329Boston1329Nashville1030
Edmonton1422Buffalo1323Boston1329
Florida1328Dallas1342Detroit1329
Los Angeles1321Detroit1329Toronto1229
Minnesota1619Florida1328Florida1328
Montreal1610Los Angeles1321Columbus1427
Nashville1030New Jersey1338Buffalo1323
New Jersey1338Ottawa1331Calgary1422
NY Islanders1140Calgary1422Edmonton1422
NY Rangers1618Carolina1420Colorado1921
Ottawa1331Columbus1427Los Angeles1321
Philadelphia1613Edmonton1422Carolina1420
Phoenix942San Jose1416Minnesota1619
Pittsburgh1518Pittsburgh1518Vancouver1219
San Jose1416Tampa1513NY Rangers1618
St. Louis1238Minnesota1619Pittsburgh1518
Tampa1513Montreal1610San Jose1416
Toronto1229NY Rangers1618Chicago1713
Vancouver1219Philadelphia1613Philadelphia1613
Washington1033Chicago1713Tampa1513
Winnipeg842Colorado1921Montreal1610

PlayerPosTeamAgeCap HitExpiryStatus
Iginla,JaromeRCGY35$7,000,0002013(UFA)
Semin,AlexanderRCAR28$7,000,0002013(UFA)
Timonen,KimmoDPHI37$6,333,3332013(UFA)
Elias,PatrikCNJD36$6,000,0002013(UFA)
Backstrom,NiklasGMIN34$6,000,0002013(UFA)
Visnovsky,LubomirDNYI36$5,600,0002013(UFA)
Gonchar,SergeiDOTT38$5,500,0002013(UFA)
Perry,CoreyRANA27$5,325,0002013(UFA)
Getzlaf,RyanCANA27$5,325,0002013(UFA)
Ribeiro,MikeCWAS32$5,000,0002013(UFA)
Thomas,TimGBOS38$5,000,0002013(UFA)
Alfredsson,DanielROTT39$4,875,0002013(UFA)
Connolly,TimCTOR31$4,750,0002013(UFA)
McDonald,AndyCSTL35$4,700,0002013(UFA)
Jagr,JaromirRDAL40$4,550,0002013(UFA)
Selanne,TeemuRANA42$4,500,0002013(UFA)
Hainsey,RonDWIN31$4,500,0002013(UFA)
Lupul,JoffreyLTOR28$4,250,0002013(UFA)
Morrow,BrendenLDAL33$4,100,0002013(UFA)
Streit,MarkDNYI34$4,100,0002013(UFA)
Bouchard,Pierre-MarcRMIN28$4,080,0002013(UFA)
Antropov,NikCWIN32$4,062,5002013(UFA)

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09-21-2012, 02:06 PM
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Listing number of contracts on the roster for players that are on the team now for next season is kind of pointless. They won't all be with the team and there will be spots filled by players who are not on the list yet because they are in juniors or the AHL.

Burke is in a good spot cap-wise, that's all that needs to be said regardless of other teams.

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If there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA, im OK with Luongo provided the price isnt extreme.

On the other hand if Cox is right and cap hits remain even after players retire, we can scratch Lu off our lists. Burke wont ever touch him then.

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09-21-2012, 02:21 PM
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Regarding Krejci as someone else mentioned earlier, he would fill in as the tough 1st line center the Leafs are looking for that would not cost as much as Getzlaf. One of Lupul or Grabovski and a draft pick would probably have to go.

Fantasy trades:

Lupul + 3rd rounder for Krejci
Grabovski + 2013 First round pick for Getzlaf
Gardiner (he will not play as well under Carlyle) + Lombardi + Connolly (salary dumps) for Luongo.
Dear god......

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Listing number of contracts on the roster for players that are on the team now for next season is kind of pointless. They won't all be with the team and there will be spots filled by players who are not on the list yet because they are in juniors or the AHL.

Burke is in a good spot cap-wise, that's all that needs to be said regardless of other teams.
No poop!!!

The Leafs (not Burke - he's just an employee) are in fine shape, but so are other teams, and the Leafs still have to compete with those teams.

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09-21-2012, 02:43 PM
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No poop!!!

The Leafs (not Burke - he's just an employee) are in fine shape, but so are other teams, and the Leafs still have to compete with those teams.
Take away the teams that have long cap commitments due to very multi- year contracts and those that can't spend to the cap and Burke is near the top.

Sorry to take that position, I know how unpopular stating that the GM knows what he is doing can be around the Leafs group.

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09-21-2012, 02:49 PM
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Take away the teams that have long cap commitments due to very multi- year contracts and those that can't spend to the cap and Burke is near the top.

Sorry to take that position, I know how unpopular stating that the GM knows what he is doing can be around the Leafs group.
There are many competent GM's around the league. I know that is an unpopular position amongst some Leafs' fans, but it is true.

Really, without looking deeper into the contracts that expand beyond the current year it is a superficial view anyway.

Additionally, if the owners get their longer length for UFA status, there is not much to bid on next year anyway.

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There are many competent GM's around the league. I know that is an unpopular position amongst some Leafs' fans, but it is true.

Really, without looking deeper into the contracts that expand beyond the current year it is a superficial view anyway.

Additionally, if the owners get their longer length for UFA status, there is not much to bid on next year anyway.
Since trading players still happens then that doesn't stop GM's from improving their team. Clamping down on cap circumvention, also discussed for the new CBA, will lead to more good players on the trading block.

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This is just a rumour by Howard Berger and I would expect Burke, to try to make moves to improve the team, at any time throughout the year.

I'm sure behind the scenes all the GM's are in discussions and if they are waiting until the CBA is settled, it would probably be to see, whether the Cap goes down to a rumoured 58 million and if that is the case, many teams will have to scramble, to get down to that level and there may be some good players made available.

This is hardly a revelation, Berger's source, seems to be an "Eastern Conference rival", who ever that is and a lot of speculation but mentioning what we have been talking about, for over a year, a big #1 center and an upgrade in-goal

http://www.bergerbytes.ca/2012/09/bu...nt-with-leafs/

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TORONTO (Sep. 20) – For Brian Burke, the summer of 2012 has been all about tempering expectation. The Maple Leafs’ general manager made a couple of modest additions and suggested – rather strongly – that no further altering will be done.

That isn’t so, according to an Eastern Conference rival.

“From my standpoint, Brian is poised to make at least one prime acquisition… possibly two,” said the fellow executive. “I think – like many of us – he is waiting to see the lay of the land once a new Collective Bargaining Agreement is in place. He’s been very involved in trying to improve his goaltending and I can tell you that he’s determined to add a big player up front. I’ll be quite surprised, as will many of my colleagues, if he goes into the next hockey season without a significant upgrade.”

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It's going to be Bobby Ryan.

I'm sticking with the insider info John Shannon provided in the spring.

Lets be serious people. How in the heck is Burke going to land Getz and Perry before ANA re-signs them? It's just not practical to think that they will just come to TO. Bobby Ryan on the other hand is more expendable and will never be ANA's 1C or top winger.

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It's going to be Bobby Ryan.

I'm sticking with the insider info John Shannon provided in the spring.

Lets be serious people. How in the heck is Burke going to land Getz and Perry before ANA re-signs them? It's just not practical to think that they will just come to TO. Bobby Ryan on the other hand is more expendable and will never be ANA's 1C or top winger.
Burke could trade for either of them. And if Perry leaves next summer Ryan will be Anaheims top winger

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Since trading players still happens then that doesn't stop GM's from improving their team. Clamping down on cap circumvention, also discussed for the new CBA, will lead to more good players on the trading block.
I'm hoping the Leafs' fans' money means something.

Center Ice doesn't cost more whether I watch the Leafs are Red Wings, but going to ACC and paying a premium should provide something more than what they've been providing.

Yes, market drives the prices, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get a quality product.

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They should really focus on making sure there is a season this year.

Bunch of ****ing clowns. I'm actually really disinterested in hockey right now (of course I say this as I surf an online hockey forum). Sports in general is turning to **** with this labour business.

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I'm hoping the Leafs' fans' money means something.

Center Ice doesn't cost more whether I watch the Leafs are Red Wings, but going to ACC and paying a premium should provide something more than what they've been providing.

Yes, market drives the prices, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get a quality product.
Years of catering to what the fans wanted up until Burke got the job ended up making his job more difficult.

Obviously there are some people who don't get it. They should but they don't. Or, they do and pretend that they don't because that is how they get their kicks around here. Who knows.

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I'm hoping the Leafs' fans' money means something.

Center Ice doesn't cost more whether I watch the Leafs are Red Wings, but going to ACC and paying a premium should provide something more than what they've been providing.

Yes, market drives the prices, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get a quality product.
I agree, the Leaf fans get short end of the stick and rather than start another CBA thread on this subject, I believe that a few things need to be addressed in the CBA.... 5 year max contract and players salaries capped.... also reducing the number of teams, a lot more good players would be available.

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Burke could trade for either of them. And if Perry leaves next summer Ryan will be Anaheims top winger
if toronto had a former league MVP and a top 15 center would they let them go to free agency?

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if toronto had a former league MVP and a top 15 center would they let them go to free agency?
Sometimes its not the teams choice.

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Sometimes its not the teams choice.
i agree that anything could happen. a player might want to explore a bigger market, move back to Canada, or maybe turn over a new leaf. in my experience in following the goings on of UFA's and the trade market i've seen many re-sign with the teams they originally were drafted by. my jaw hit the floor when i heard that Nash re-signed with CBJ (it's only until recent that Nash realized he wanted out).

all 30 teams have a shot (if they reach their UFA status), but i give ANA the best odds a re-signing those 2 hot commodities.

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i agree that anything could happen. a player might want to explore a bigger market, move back to Canada, or maybe turn over a new leaf. in my experience in following the goings on of UFA's and the trade market i've seen many re-sign with the teams they originally were drafted by. my jaw hit the floor when i heard that Nash re-signed with CBJ (it's only until recent that Nash realized he wanted out).

all 30 teams have a shot (if they reach their UFA status), but i give ANA the best odds a re-signing those 2 hot commodities.
We will see how it goes this season in Anaheim. If the team implodes and there is drama going on, it may not be so clear cut. Deadline day will be telling.

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