HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

NFL Thread VI: Andre Brown Edition

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
11-04-2012, 07:07 PM
  #926
BroadwayBlues
oxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo
 
BroadwayBlues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 7,860
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomebodySaveKreider View Post
When the Giants can't run the football, they become very one dimensional and predictable. I like Bradshaw as a playmaker, but he's not an every down back. Wilson should really get a few carries.

I thought the offensive line was awful today too.
They draft a RB with the first pick but don't play him in the offense.

I don't want to hear about blitz pickup. If he's so bad at blitz pick up, then why was he the backup to start the season?

This coaching staff is brutal at self scouting.

BroadwayBlues is offline  
Old
11-04-2012, 08:10 PM
  #927
Faxius
Registered User
 
Faxius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 539
vCash: 2249
Eli sucked ass today. And no, I'm not singling him out, they we're all pretty bad. I just feel Eli deserve some flack for todays disgrace.

Faxius is offline  
Old
11-04-2012, 08:37 PM
  #928
GWOW
Two Pucks, One Cup
 
GWOW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Country: United States
Posts: 13,935
vCash: 500
Bright side -- giants played their worst game of the season against an elite defense and still had a lead with 4 mins to go.

They're also still in 1st.

GWOW is offline  
Old
11-04-2012, 08:57 PM
  #929
Bird Law
Daisy's back.
 
Bird Law's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Country Roads
Country: United States
Posts: 72,041
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Bird Law
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faxius View Post
Eli sucked ass today. And no, I'm not singling him out, they we're all pretty bad. I just feel Eli deserve some flack for todays disgrace.
Exactly. Most of this crap is on him. Even the guys that have had drops or tipped balls are usually having to jump much higher to grab them. Something is very, very off with Eli right now. His throws have no power behind them -- something I am shocked to see.

__________________
"Of course giving Sather cap space is like giving teenagers whiskey and car keys." - SBOB
"Watching Sather build a team is like watching a blind man with no fingers trying to put together an elaborate puzzle." - Shadowtron
"Used to be only Twinkies and cockroaches could survive a nuke. I'd add Habs to that. I'm convinced the CH stands for Club du Hypocrisy." - Gee Wally
Bird Law is offline  
Old
11-04-2012, 08:58 PM
  #930
Bird Law
Daisy's back.
 
Bird Law's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Country Roads
Country: United States
Posts: 72,041
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Bird Law
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomebodySaveKreider View Post
When the Giants can't run the football, they become very one dimensional and predictable. I like Bradshaw as a playmaker, but he's not an every down back. Wilson should really get a few carries.

I thought the offensive line was awful today too.
The offensive line save Diehl wasn't bad. Beatty, for example, played very well. Snee was mediocre, but I attribute that mostly to him having to fix Diehl's ****-ups. Boothe and Baas were both just there (not messing up too badly from what I saw).

Almost every single QB pressure came from Diehl. He is that bad.

Bird Law is offline  
Old
11-04-2012, 09:15 PM
  #931
BroadwayBlues
oxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo
 
BroadwayBlues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 7,860
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan. View Post
Exactly. Most of this crap is on him. Even the guys that have had drops or tipped balls are usually having to jump much higher to grab them. Something is very, very off with Eli right now. His throws have no power behind them -- something I am shocked to see.
Very easy to target the QB because you don't have to analyze what's really going on.

The Giant receivers aren't getting much separation. Teams are now doing a great job of reading the Giants option routes. What that is doing, is giving Eli a smaller window to throw into. Also because of that, he's holding the ball longer.

The problem also today is Gilbride decided to not run any other type of routes. No slants, to screens, go to etc... Everything is vertical. When the Steelers weren't giving them that pass.
It's the same 2 receivers sets. No 3 or 4 sets. No adjustment at all by the coaching staff.

The bottom line is, the Giants NEED a shorter passing game. Teams are taking away the deep throw.

BroadwayBlues is offline  
Old
11-04-2012, 10:40 PM
  #932
30theking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 688
vCash: 500
well dallas just lost so they didnt lose any ground there. if philly loses tomorrow then they won't lose any ground in the division at all. if they can just win next week they'll be 7-3 entering the bye which is pretty good.

30theking is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 12:04 PM
  #933
Machinehead
Brauch und Stolz
 
Machinehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: New York New York
Country: Germany
Posts: 33,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BroadwayBlues View Post
Very easy to target the QB because you don't have to analyze what's really going on.

The Giant receivers aren't getting much separation. Teams are now doing a great job of reading the Giants option routes. What that is doing, is giving Eli a smaller window to throw into. Also because of that, he's holding the ball longer.

The problem also today is Gilbride decided to not run any other type of routes. No slants, to screens, go to etc... Everything is vertical. When the Steelers weren't giving them that pass.
It's the same 2 receivers sets. No 3 or 4 sets. No adjustment at all by the coaching staff.

The bottom line is, the Giants NEED a shorter passing game. Teams are taking away the deep throw.
Exactly. No running game, no short game. How is Eli supposed to be effective when he has one play is his arsenal?

I think after a year and half of beating teams with the same exact thing they've gotten wise to it. An adjustment needs to be made in the passing game and the running game needs to be fixed.

Unfortunately none of this will happen because Gilbride is a homunculous. His formula is the same every possession: run for no gain, run for no gain, throw deep into a deep pass defense, punt. Repeat.

The biggest problem imo though is the ineffective running game. Teams don't even have to stack the box to stop it, so they can take away the deep pass on every play without worrying about the run.

And maybe Eli didn't have his sharpest game but we can't expect him to do it every week. What he's done in the past is go out there with no support from his running game or coaching, and still put up points despite the fact that the other team knows what's coming. Nobody can get away with that consistently, not even Tom Brady.

Machinehead is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 12:10 PM
  #934
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,884
vCash: 50
If we lose next week I will get worried. If we win we're in pretty good shape. This was the one game in a while I felt like we could lose and still be in o.k. shape, and we are. If the Eagles win today it'll put us a little tighter, since they still have the theoretical tiebreaker.

Fitzy is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 12:27 PM
  #935
BroadwayBlues
oxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo
 
BroadwayBlues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 7,860
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Machinehead View Post
Exactly. No running game, no short game. How is Eli supposed to be effective when he has one play is his arsenal?

I think after a year and half of beating teams with the same exact thing they've gotten wise to it. An adjustment needs to be made in the passing game and the running game needs to be fixed.

Unfortunately none of this will happen because Gilbride is a homunculous. His formula is the same every possession: run for no gain, run for no gain, throw deep into a deep pass defense, punt. Repeat.

The biggest problem imo though is the ineffective running game. Teams don't even have to stack the box to stop it, so they can take away the deep pass on every play without worrying about the run.

And maybe Eli didn't have his sharpest game but we can't expect him to do it every week. What he's done in the past is go out there with no support from his running game or coaching, and still put up points despite the fact that the other team knows what's coming. Nobody can get away with that consistently, not even Tom Brady.
When you really analyze the Giants, you'll see that they're pretty Vanilla. They don't really mix it up much. I think this also attributes to them being an awful Red Zone team. No creativity.
Even Carl Banks on the radio said that they need add more stuff to this offense.
When teams are taking that deep ball away from you, you need to adjust and start utilizing your personnel for underneath stuff.

With the Steelers being aggressive, where was the running back screen with Wilson? The slants? Bennett in the seam?

Wilson needs to get touches. You drafted him in the first round but don't really play him??

BroadwayBlues is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 12:34 PM
  #936
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 29,778
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BroadwayBlues View Post
They draft a RB with the first pick but don't play him in the offense.

I don't want to hear about blitz pickup. If he's so bad at blitz pick up, then why was he the backup to start the season?

This coaching staff is brutal at self scouting.
Totally reactionary post. You really want to fault a coaching staff that has done nothing but develop talent?


The bad call was the blitz that resulted in the Wallace TD.

__________________
SingnBluesOnBroadway is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 12:37 PM
  #937
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 29,778
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BroadwayBlues View Post
When you really analyze the Giants, you'll see that they're pretty Vanilla. They don't really mix it up much. I think this also attributes to them being an awful Red Zone team. No creativity.
Even Carl Banks on the radio said that they need add more stuff to this offense.
When teams are taking that deep ball away from you, you need to adjust and start utilizing your personnel for underneath stuff.

With the Steelers being aggressive, where was the running back screen with Wilson? The slants? Bennett in the seam?

Wilson needs to get touches. You drafted him in the first round but don't really play him??
When was the last time this team ran a screen? They don't.

They tried the slants but the Steelers did a great job of locking up the receivers at the line. I thought there should have been some opportunities for Bennett (especially in the red zone). They seem to have fallen in love with the run too much in the red zone.

SingnBluesOnBroadway is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 01:27 PM
  #938
NYGRYK21
HFWF IC Champ
 
NYGRYK21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ridge, New York
Country: United States
Posts: 5,275
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway View Post
When was the last time this team ran a screen? They don't.

They tried the slants but the Steelers did a great job of locking up the receivers at the line. I thought there should have been some opportunities for Bennett (especially in the red zone). They seem to have fallen in love with the run too much in the red zone.
Which is essentially Bradshaw or Brown running into 10 people for a short gain, God forbid they change it up with Wilson, but he can't get carries because he fumbled that one time.

NYGRYK21 is online now  
Old
11-05-2012, 01:34 PM
  #939
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 29,778
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYGRYK21 View Post
Which is essentially Bradshaw or Brown running into 10 people for a short gain, God forbid they change it up with Wilson, but he can't get carries because he fumbled that one time.
I guess the issue I have with Wilson is I don't really see him as a change of pace off of what they have. He has a higher top gear but he needs to be in the clear to really get going. In the red zone, I don't see him being an answer

SingnBluesOnBroadway is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 01:35 PM
  #940
Bob Richards
Global Moderator
Mr. Mojo Risin'
 
Bob Richards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 45,645
vCash: 50
My opponents fantasy team had a meh performance except for one man.

My opponent had Doug Martin. I'm beyond mad right now. I'm being essentially destroyed by a single man.

__________________
"New day, new hope. Richards Buyout 2014". -Ail
Bob Richards is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 01:57 PM
  #941
BroadwayBlues
oxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo
 
BroadwayBlues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York City
Country: United States
Posts: 7,860
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway View Post
When was the last time this team ran a screen? They don't.

They tried the slants but the Steelers did a great job of locking up the receivers at the line. I thought there should have been some opportunities for Bennett (especially in the red zone). They seem to have fallen in love with the run too much in the red zone.
No doubt.

They don't throw the ball to Bennett enough in the RZ. Just about every thing is a fade.

BroadwayBlues is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 04:59 PM
  #942
silverfish
Mr. Glass
 
silverfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Standing on a Train
Country: United States
Posts: 14,325
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Richards View Post
My opponents fantasy team had a meh performance except for one man.

My opponent had Doug Martin. I'm beyond mad right now. I'm being essentially destroyed by a single man.
Dougy saved my team this week, what a performance

silverfish is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 08:13 PM
  #943
30theking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 688
vCash: 500
eagles red zone woes continue. vick throws a pick six returned for 98 yards. not all his fault though the ball was tipped a little but it wasn't a great throw.

30theking is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 08:38 PM
  #944
30theking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 688
vCash: 500
14-3 saints now. saints have a very solid trio of running backs even without darren sproles. ingram, thomas, and ivory. talk about depth.

30theking is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 09:37 PM
  #945
30theking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 688
vCash: 500
two fumbles by the saints and now its about to be 21-17 saints.

30theking is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 10:32 PM
  #946
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 19,884
vCash: 50
So the Giants are 6-3 and the other teams are 3-5, 3-5, 3-6.

Realistically, 10-6 we should be a lock. 9-7 probably gives us at least a 60% chance.

Fitzy is offline  
Old
11-05-2012, 10:33 PM
  #947
30theking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 688
vCash: 500
it helps that the rest of the divison has major flaws in certain areas.

30theking is offline  
Old
11-06-2012, 09:06 AM
  #948
Machinehead
Brauch und Stolz
 
Machinehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: New York New York
Country: Germany
Posts: 33,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway View Post
I guess the issue I have with Wilson is I don't really see him as a change of pace off of what they have. He has a higher top gear but he needs to be in the clear to really get going. In the red zone, I don't see him being an answer
The answer in the red zone is Eli Manning and his receivers. That's usually what gets us to the red zone in the first place.

Machinehead is offline  
Old
11-06-2012, 09:09 AM
  #949
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 29,778
vCash: 500
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Machinehead View Post
The answer in the red zone is Eli Manning and his receivers. That's usually what gets us to the red zone in the first place.
That's my point.

SingnBluesOnBroadway is offline  
Old
11-06-2012, 09:13 AM
  #950
Stugots
Kolo, Kolo Kolo!
 
Stugots's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 6,376
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Antithesis View Post
So the Giants are 6-3 and the other teams are 3-5, 3-5, 3-6.

Realistically, 10-6 we should be a lock. 9-7 probably gives us at least a 60% chance.
True. It's going to be tough to nab a first round bye with the way Chicago and Atlanta are playing. That game against Atlanta (week 14 I think?) is going to be huge.

Stugots is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:41 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.