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02-18-2014, 10:00 AM
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IIHF to change dislodged net rule that gave US victory

http://deadspin.com/iihf-to-change-r...sia-1525037252

"We will change that rule. To disallow a goal because of two centimeters? That's nonsense. But that is the existing rule, nothing can be done. That's why I think that this rule needs to be changed and officiate the way it is done in the NHL. That's what we will do."

That must sting a bit for the Russians.

No goal this year, will be a good goal in the future.

EDIT: see post #22 for NHL rule 78.4 which says that in the NHL it would have been a goal.


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02-18-2014, 10:13 AM
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Good change, Russia was the moral winner and now is even officially.

What seedings would look like with Russia defeating the USA 2-1:
1) Sweden 9 points
2) Canada 8 points, GD +9
3) Russia 8 points, GD +5
4) Finland 7 points
5) USA 6 points, GD +9
6) Switzerland 6 points, GD +1
...

Quarterfinals, most likely:
Finland against USA (instead of Russia)
Russia against winner of Switzerland vs Latvia
Canada against winner of Czech Republic vs Slovakia

Semifinals, most likely:
Sweden against Finland or USA
Canada vs Russia or Switzerland

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02-18-2014, 10:14 AM
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Hopefully they also inform the IIHF "war room" that hitting a puck on lying on top of the net (even though Nash only hit the netting) is not making contact with the puck above the crossbar.

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02-18-2014, 10:18 AM
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That wouldn't have been a goal in the NHL either though...

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02-18-2014, 10:22 AM
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Hopefully they also inform the IIHF "war room" that hitting a puck on lying on top of the net (even though Nash only hit the netting) is not making contact with the puck above the crossbar.
We didn't get an official explanation, but I think the goal may have been disallowed in part to the Olympic rings that are fastened to the top of the net. The puck got stuck in there before Nash swatted at it, changing the direction and momentum of the puck.

I wish they (the officials) explained disallowed and allowed goals in the Olympics the way they do in the NHL.

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What will be the new rule? How many centimeters can the net be dislodged in the future?

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That wouldn't have been a goal in the NHL either though...
yes it would have, if the pegs are still in it counts.

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Why it's not goal if ref can judge on himself that these 2cm wouldn't influence on the [mod] goal? There would be goal 100% if net was in or out on 2 cm. Just chage rules that ref can take decision. Must be common sense.

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The alternative has the potentially to be awfully subjective...

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Why it's not goal if ref can judge on himself that these 2cm wouldn't influence on the [mod] goal? There would be goal 100% if net was in or out on 2 cm.
Because the rule as written doesn't allow for the ref to make that judgement call. It was cut and dry, if the net is off by even 1 cm when the puck goes in, it's no goal.

I agree that it's a bad rule, and it probably should be changed. But the call was absolutely correct within the rules.


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Because the rule as written doesn't allow for the ref to make that judgement call. It was cut and dry, if the net is off by even 1 cm when the puck goes in, it's no goal.

I agree that it's a bad rule, and it probably should be changed. But the call was absolutely correct within the rules.
I agree rules are rules. I added how it should be changed...))

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02-18-2014, 10:28 AM
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Good change, Russia was the moral winner and now is even officially.

What seedings would look like with Russia defeating the USA 2-1:
1) Sweden 9 points
2) Canada 8 points, GD +9
3) Russia 8 points, GD +5
4) Finland 7 points
5) USA 6 points, GD +9
6) Switzerland 6 points, GD +1
...

Quarterfinals, most likely:
Finland against USA (instead of Russia)
Russia against winner of Switzerland vs Latvia
Canada against winner of Czech Republic vs Slovakia

Semifinals, most likely:
Sweden against Finland or USA
Canada vs Russia or Switzerland
No and no, actually.

US won the game, both on a moral level and an ACTUAL level. It's a terrible rule that they are fixing, but it is the rule.

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02-18-2014, 10:33 AM
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http://deadspin.com/iihf-to-change-r...sia-1525037252

"We will change that rule. To disallow a goal because of two centimeters? That's nonsense. But that is the existing rule, nothing can be done. That's why I think that this rule needs to be changed and officiate the way it is done in the NHL. That's what we will do."

That must sting a bit for the Russians.

No goal this year, will be a good goal in the future.
WOuld STILL NOT be a Good Goal, even under current NHL rules!

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yes it would have, if the pegs are still in it counts.
The goal was off of it's moorings before the shot...

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http://deadspin.com/iihf-to-change-r...sia-1525037252

"We will change that rule. To disallow a goal because of two centimeters? That's nonsense. But that is the existing rule, nothing can be done. That's why I think that this rule needs to be changed and officiate the way it is done in the NHL. That's what we will do."

That must sting a bit for the Russians.

No goal this year, will be a good goal in the future.
The way it's done in the NHL? Wouldn't that still be a no goal because the net was off?

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The goal was off of it's moorings before the shot...
CORRECT...Give the Young Gent ( just guessin' ) A CIGAR

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I agree rules are rules. I added how it should be changed...))
I also agree that it should be changed.

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The rule is in place for a reason. You can't have people scoring from angles that wouldn't have been goals to begin with.

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The rule is in place for a reason. You can't have people scoring from angles that wouldn't have been goals to begin with.
It hit the back bar of the net with it moved. It still would have been in if the net was in the proper position.

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02-18-2014, 11:03 AM
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Maybe the rule change just says that any goal scored on a dislodged net is reviewable, but only by Vladamir Putin, and only while shirtless.

I could see long delays in Korea 2018 while they call Moscow for a ruling.

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02-18-2014, 11:04 AM
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The goal was off of it's moorings before the shot...
Irrelevant. Here's the actual rule from the NHL-rulebook:

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The goal frame shall be considered in its proper position when at least a portion of the flexible peg(s) are still inside both the goal post and the hole in the ice. The flexible pegs could be bent, but as long as at least a portion of the flexible peg(s) are still in the hole in the ice and the goal post, the goal frame shall be deemed to be in its proper position. The goal frame could be raised somewhat on one post (or both), but as long as the flexible pegs are still in contact with the holes in the ice and the goal posts, the goal frame shall not be deemed to be displaced.
In this case, the peg was slightly bend but still in contact with the hole in the ice, therefore the net was in proper position and it would have been a good goal.

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02-18-2014, 11:05 AM
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Irrelevant. Here's the actual rule from the NHL-rulebook:



In this case, the peg was slightly bend but still in contact with the hole in the ice, therefore the net was in proper position and it would have been a good goal.
Well you just pwned 90% of the people in this thread.

Good use of facts.

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02-18-2014, 11:17 AM
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Irrelevant. Here's the actual rule from the NHL-rulebook:



In this case, the peg was slightly bend but still in contact with the hole in the ice, therefore the net was in proper position and it would have been a good goal.
You're right, it was in proper position for an NHL game.

I'm sure somewhere in the world people play hockey with a ridiculously large net, larger than NHL regulations, but that's not the rules they play by; just like the differing definitions of proper position between the NHL and IIHF.

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To me if the net is off, the net is off. Understanding the rules of the pegs still connecting the net to the hole in the ice, its giving one team an unfair advantage if you ask me. Whether this is the rule in the NHL or with the IIHF, I just feel it's an unfair advantage. Each goal should be reviewed using the overhead cam (or any for that matter) to see if the net is off. If that is the case, goal should be disallowed. This will come back up again someday and create yet another controversial call.

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How about make dislodging the net an automatic penalty for the goalie unless specific conditions are met like a ref sees it was a player who knocked it out of its moorings.. when in doubt, penalize the goaltender.

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