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09-25-2012, 04:29 PM
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Im really upset we traded our 2nd and 3rd round picks too. We really need more young talent for the AHL and ECHL in 5+ years.

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/\ That's loser talk!

Show me a GM that opts for a band aid like Oduya and disregards the prospect pool from a strong crop of talent (even if it is 5 years in the future), and I see a loser. This team needed (and still needs) much more than Johnnie Oduya to compete in the playoffs. Coldice is also correct when he points to the goaltending as Hawks biggest exposure.

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09-25-2012, 05:59 PM
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/\ That's loser talk!

Show me a GM that opts for a band aid like Oduya and disregards the prospect pool from a strong crop of talent (even if it is 5 years in the future), and I see a loser. This team needed (and still needs) much more than Johnnie Oduya to compete in the playoffs. Coldice is also correct when he points to the goaltending as Hawks biggest exposure.
Paul Holmgren - Grossman
Ken Holland - Kyle Quincey

Just to name a few.

We dont need prospects, we need NHL ready talent and Oduya is that and then some. We have enough prospects that will more than likely never make it, but we should keep the picks that are even further away and not improve our team. THAT sounds like loser talk.

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09-26-2012, 05:09 AM
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loser talk?

Everytime I have to read here that we have soo many holes and need talent RIGHT NOW to help us NOW to have the Cap Space USED and not wasted with NOTHING.

Next in line... we actually bring in a good Depth option at D for 2 lousy Picks we really do not need and this is bad.

It's one or the other. Either you want to use the Cap Space on players that help us or you keep your picks and prospect. Coldsteel you can chose which you want but you can't complain about this one day and about the other the next day

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No matter how much better Oduya makes the Hawks, I felt pretty strongly that with Oduya and nothing else, that team was going down in the 1st round and I know I am not alone.
Great hindsight prediction.

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Great hindsight prediction.
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No matter how much better Oduya makes the Hawks, I felt pretty strongly that with Oduya and nothing else, that team was going down in the 1st round and I know I am not alone. Some people seem to think we could have won the Cup or even had a chance. Others were looking for a shopping spree at the deadline to make that a possibility and it clearly didn't happen.
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PRE-TRADE
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Oduya is pointless, don't waste a pick on that guy.
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All Oduya does well is skate, we already have guys like that.
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I'm at a loss, other GMs were so smooth this TD and Bowman just cries overpayment, then makes the most lopsided trade of the year that may make us worse instead of better. Olsen and Oduya aren't much different but Olsen could have gotten better in this lost season. I just hope we miss the playoffs and get something decent for picks we have left. There has to be some kind of direction out all of this and that's the only one I can see and I'm reaching at that.
This is from the middle of Oduya's torrid start with the Hawks when people were crowning him the savior.
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Oduya has done well and helped. He's still prone to the big turnover. Right now we are seeing him when he's hot and that's great for the Hawks. Hopefully he can ride out the season like this. As for the trade itself, unfortunately, he took the brunt of a miserable, pathetic and extremely disgusting performance (or lack thereof) by Bowman. Given all of the holes on this team, to come away with just Oduya was a kick in the face. It still seems like a pointless move because this team doesn't look Cup bound and Oduya will test UFA. We still need toughness, especially on the blue line and in front of our own crease and we still didn't get it at the trade deadline. Like Campoli last year, it's always good to at least get a solid NHL body but I still fear we will get exposed as a weak team in the playoffs. They'll need to respond that a lot better than last year to go deep.
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Some good, some bad. Oduya will turn the puck over, he's a high risk, high reward player. When he isn't making big plays, he looks pretty horrible. Still, we have what we have and have to just roll it out there and hope for the best.
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remember the few of us who said it was an overpayment for a meh defenseman who wasn't worth resigning? Yea, we were right. he's a bum.
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Yeah, it was hard to be around here at that time. The mob was saying things like Oduya's detractors didn't know anything about hockey, hadn't seen him play before, etc., etc. Well, those statements were correct but should have been directed inward. The guy is a turnover machine and an overpaid rental that wasn't enough to make any difference. Good 10 game run though, not worth a 2nd/3rd and still pointless because we did nothing else. It was a move made to placate the fans and worked for awhile there.
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I see no 1st round out prediction before the playoffs started.

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I see no 1st round out prediction before the playoffs started.
LOL, ok, if you didn't get it from the above posts about Oduya, how about his one:

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Just looking at the rosters of our competitors and the seasons they've had objectively. We just don't have what it takes. I'll be surprised if the Hawks make it out of the 1st round.

And IMO, the team was better last year.

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So how about that 2013 draft?

No point in having another Oduya thread. So let's talk about the 2013 draft class.

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09-26-2012, 12:13 PM
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So how about that 2013 draft?

No point in having another Oduya thread. So let's talk about the 2013 draft class.
Well, you or someone else could have told those two they were talking out of their ass to say I had Cup dreams after the trade deadline but you didn't, so I had to retort.

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Well, you or someone else could have told those two they were talking out of their ass to say I had Cup dreams after the trade deadline but you didn't, so I had to retort.
It turned into an Oduya thread before they said that. But whatever, what's done is done. Oduya is here, and we don't have our 2nd or 3rd picks this year, not a major loss.

Really hoping Horvat falls to us, or take a gamble on Furcale! We need goalie prospects, we don't really need anymore forwards. Or we take a gamble on a big Dman early if he shows promise!

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Those posts are just as ridiculous now as they were back then, no offense. Olsen and Oduya aren't that different? They're about as different as you can get. For Bowman to only come away with a top-4 Dman on TD day was "a kick in the face"? I don't even.. Oduya's trade was the worst of that day? Paul Gaustad anyone? The "Oduya detractors" were wrong in saying the people whining had never seen him before? You compared him to Dylan Olsen after he was aquired.. lol.

Anyways.. this thread has been sufficiently derailed.

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09-27-2012, 10:38 PM
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So how about that 2013 draft?

No point in having another Oduya thread. So let's talk about the 2013 draft class.
Thank you!

I try to start a new discussion topic to cut through the lockout boredom...and a few board regulars decide to prove why we never get nice things around here

Topic? Assuming we have a season and assuming we end up picking after 15 and ignoring the possibility of a player falling, what do we do?

Leaving aside players who fall, there often isn't an obvious BPA later on in the first round (unless you're Calgary and Jankowski is available )...at least to the brain trust on HF.

This draft is heavy on offense. So if, for arguments sake, we're sitting there at 18 again - do we pick up more offense or do we look at the Ds available?

Also - as I've noted elsewhere - Fucale is getting a lot of hype at G. If he's available do we do that?

As an aside - anyone more knowledgeable than yours truly know where Fucale sits vs. Vasilevski/Subban - my sense is he's a bit better. But I haven't paid enough attention to compare. Thoughts?

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The Hockey Writers have released their prelim ranking - here's their first round (their list also includes the second round).

http://thehockeywriters.com/the-next...nary-rankings/

I'm surprised they have Fucale at 40 - I think that if Subban went 1st round last yr, Fucale will probably go 1st round this year.

I really hope we have another Teuvo situation and someone falls to us again. I bolded some players of interest (who i've seen) who might be available to us depending on how they play/where we end up.


1 C Nathan Mackinnon 95-09-01 5'11 179 R Halifax Mooseheads
2 D Seth Jones 94-10-03 6'4 206 R Portland Winterhawks
3 C Sean Monahan 94-10-12 6'2 193 L Ottawa 67's
4 LW Hunter Shinkaruk 94-10-13 5'10 175 L Medicine Hat Tigers
5 D Ryan Pulock 94-10-06 6'01 213 R Brandon Wheat Kings
6 C Alexander Barkov 95-09-02 6'2 194 L Tappara
7 LW Jonathan Drouin 95-03-28 5'11 176 L Halifax Mooseheads
8 D Josh Morrissey 95-03-28 6'0 184 L Prince Albert Raiders
9 C Curtis Lazar 95-02-02 6'0 198 R Edmonton Oil Kings
10 C Ryan Kujawinski 95-03-30 6'2 205 L Kingston Frontenacs
11 C Elias Lindholm 94-12-02 6'0 183 R Brynäs
12 D Rasmus Ristolainen 94-10-27 6'3 198 R TPS
13 D Robert Hägg 95-02-08 6'2 192 L MODO J20
14 RW Adam Erne 95-04-20 6'1 198 L Quebec Remparts
15 C Max Domi 95-03-02 5'10 194 L London Knights
16 LW André Burakovsky 95-02-09 6'1 176 L Malmö J20
17 LW Anthony Duclair 95-08-26 5'11 182 R Quebec Remparts
18 LW Kerby Rychel 94-10-07 6'1 200 L Windsor Spitfires
19 C J.T Compher 95-04-08 6'0 165 R USA NTDP U17
20 LW Valeri Nichushkin 95-03-04 6'3 176 L Chelyabinsk
21 RW Hudson Fasching 95-07-28 6'3 190 R USA NTDP U17
22 D Nikita Zadorov 95-04-16 6'5 228 L London Knights
23 LW William Carrier 94-12-20 6'1 198 L Cape Breton Screaming Eagles
24 D Darnell Nurse 95-02-04 6'5 184 L Soo Greyhounds
25 D Eric Roy 94-10-24 6'03 190 L Brandon Wheat Kings
26 C Bo Horvat 95-04-05 6'0 203 L London Knights
27 RW Artturi Lehkonen 95-06-04 5'10 163 L KalPa U20
28 D Ian McCoshen 95-08-05 6'3 205 L Waterloo Blackhawks
29 D Madison Bowey 95-04-22 6'1 194 R Kelowna Rockets
30 C Jacob de La Rose 95-05-20 6'2 183 L Leksand J20

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