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09-24-2012, 07:31 PM
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Katz and his camp have been bush league through out this whole process. From idiotic trolling stuff like this to going back on his word during negotiations. Between the lockout and the ugliness behind these negotiations I am really getting tired of the way business is done in the NHL. Katz wants everything his way. I can't stand the man.

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09-24-2012, 07:32 PM
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The bottom line is this is a bluff. In 10 years the "Seattle Oilers" once the novelty wears off could easily be in trouble.

I know Seattle got screwed with the Sonics, but the fact is, it happened. The Mariners are having problems in Seattle too.

They could sell tickets sure ... at 1/2-1/3 the price they could in Edmonton.
The only problem the Mariners are having is that they suck. The team starts winning and attendance is fine. The entire reason they built Safeco Field in Seattle is because of the huge crowds watching the 1995 playoff team showing that the city supports baseball.

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09-24-2012, 07:33 PM
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I wouldn't be worried if I were an Oilers fan. The team is just too damn popular, profitable and full of young talent to make it as easy as an arena being the only reason why they'd move. Oilers aren't going anywhere.

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09-24-2012, 07:36 PM
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Pretty certain this is just a shakedown maneuver, but Oiler fans shouldn't think relocation is an impossibility. Once the Browns were moved out of Cleveland I realized that no North American sports franchise was completely immune from the possibility of relocation.

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09-24-2012, 07:37 PM
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The only problem the Mariners are having is that they suck. The team starts winning and attendance is fine. The entire reason they built Safeco Field in Seattle is because of the huge crowds watching the 1995 playoff team showing that the city supports baseball.
This is the problem though, if an American as apple pie sport like baseball is doing poorly there (the owner who used to be Nintendo's president is looking to sell I believe) ... what happens when hockey hits a rough patch there?

What's Taylor Hall going to draw that Kevin Durant (10000000x more marketable in the US) or Ichiro couldn't?

That's the big problem I have with sustainability of hockey in a lot of these markets, sure it's OK when the team is great. When the team is bad or even average it's a struggle.

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09-24-2012, 07:45 PM
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Art Modell did the unthinkable and took the very popular Cleveland Browns to Baltimore, and the league gave Cleveland a new franchise later.

The same thing could happen in Edmonton.

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09-24-2012, 07:49 PM
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I don't understand why some seem to think city hall is in the wrong here. Katz wanted them to pay for a ton of it, to which they pretty much agreed. Then he wanted casino revenues. They agreed. Then he wanted to not pay taxes. They couldn't do that so he flew to Seattle in what is an obvious bluff since he'd never make even half as much there. One side seems to be dealing in good faith and trying to get something done. The other seems to be raising demands after anything is agreed upon and then threatening to pull out.

I get that it's cool to be anti-government and love your hockey team but the government is the only one acting in your interest here.

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09-24-2012, 07:50 PM
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Hate to say it but Deadmonton is the correct label. The city of Calgary is putting us to shame every year.

Hey you wanna build a multi million dollar art gallery in Edmonton noone will go to? Sure

But we wont give you money for an arena that will actually help out downtown
This is funny because you complain about helping our downtown, which I and everybody else who wants this city to realize its potential understands.... then you talk about the AGA.

Ignorance at its best. The AGA is drawing great numbers and IS a part of the revitalization of downtown. Wow.

Anyways, as stated, this is a bluff to get a stagnant city council and city lacking progressiveness to get moving. 4 years and counting of dragging our knuckles on the arena....

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09-24-2012, 07:50 PM
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I smell ********. Where? To a location that doesn't sell out every game during 30th/30th/29th place finishes?

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09-24-2012, 07:51 PM
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I was fence sitting for a while but I'm completely on the cities side. **** you Darryl Katz, take your team elsewhere... Good luck where ever you go you greedy piece of ****.


His main point is that the Oilers have been losing money with this current arena deal (BS) so the city asks him to publically open up his books and prove that he's losing money. He refuses...

If you can't provide evidence then just go.

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09-24-2012, 07:58 PM
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The city already agreed to front all of the money for the arena and let Katz get all of the revenue. The problem is that Katz is backing away from the agreed upon deal because he wants the city to give him even more money ($6 million per year). It's ridiculous.
Maybe he should have just not signed Taylor Hall to that contract if he wanted a $6 million per year savings... Kind of funny how stupid money gets thrown around at players and then billionaires squabble with municipalities for relative chump change.

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09-24-2012, 08:04 PM
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This is the problem though, if an American as apple pie sport like baseball is doing poorly there (the owner who used to be Nintendo's president is looking to sell I believe) ... what happens when hockey hits a rough patch there?

What's Taylor Hall going to draw that Kevin Durant (10000000x more marketable in the US) or Ichiro couldn't?

That's the big problem I have with sustainability of hockey in a lot of these markets, sure it's OK when the team is great. When the team is bad or even average it's a struggle.
I don't think you know very much about Seattle but I agree this is a big bluff in any case. And Katz is being a dinghole.

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09-24-2012, 08:05 PM
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Now, 99% of this is posturing by Katz.
That's bush league. He can build his own arena. This is about using iconic figures to milk more taxpayer dollars for himself.

And honestly - shame on those players, after all the city gave them.

This Katz guy is looking more and more like a ******.

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09-24-2012, 08:07 PM
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Daryl Katz = the Canadian version of Greg Jamison

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09-24-2012, 08:08 PM
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Art Modell did the unthinkable and took the very popular Cleveland Browns to Baltimore, and the league gave Cleveland a new franchise later.

The same thing could happen in Edmonton.
Which is why I'm not overly worried. The actual threat of relocation is so small and if it does, there will still be hockey in Edmonton regardless. Sucks to see all the young guns go but better than suffering through a despicable owner.

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09-24-2012, 08:10 PM
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This is the problem though, if an American as apple pie sport like baseball is doing poorly there (the owner who used to be Nintendo's president is looking to sell I believe) ... what happens when hockey hits a rough patch there?

What's Taylor Hall going to draw that Kevin Durant (10000000x more marketable in the US) or Ichiro couldn't?

That's the big problem I have with sustainability of hockey in a lot of these markets, sure it's OK when the team is great. When the team is bad or even average it's a struggle.
I have been to Seattle dozens of times, it is not a hockey town. I could site many examples but, it simply is not.

Could it succeed with an NHL team? Possibly but, it would be an uphill battle like many US markets where hockey is behind NBA, NFL and MLB. A past 5 years like the Oilers have had and Seattle would be waving goodbye to its hockey team.

People in Seattle are aching for the return of the NBA. The only reason they are even talking hockey is that they need to justify building a new arena and filling an extra 41 dates a year is how they are trying to do that. The NHL is just a pawn in their real end game: return of the NBA.

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09-24-2012, 08:15 PM
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I have been to Seattle dozens of times, it is not a hockey town. I could site many examples but, it simply is not.

Could it succeed with an NHL team? Possibly but, it would be an uphill battle like many US markets where hockey is behind NBA, NFL and MLB. A past 5 years like the Oilers have had and Seattle would be waving goodbye to its hockey team.

People in Seattle are aching for the return of the NBA. The only reason they are even talking hockey is that they need to justify building a new arena and filling an extra 41 dates a year is how they are trying to do that. The NHL is just a pawn in their real end game: return of the NBA.
I will support this opinion 100%.

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09-24-2012, 08:18 PM
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Art Modell did the unthinkable and took the very popular Cleveland Browns to Baltimore, and the league gave Cleveland a new franchise later.

The same thing could happen in Edmonton.
There was a condition attached to the relocation that stipulated the NFL would move a new team into Cleveland within a few seasons.

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The insane part is... it's actually a great move in terms of long term growth and revenue to have the the Oilers move to Seattle once they finalize an arena, and then expandwith a new team back to Edmonton after they get an arena.

Unfortunately canadian fans are sheep and would explode at getting a team back... on the flip side, the new american market is set up with the best stockpile of young forwards any team has probably ever seen in 30 yrs which would spur massive excitememnt.

Man that would be brutal for Oiler fan.

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09-24-2012, 08:21 PM
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This was announced a few hours ago.

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Seattle City Council approves new arena deal to attract NBA, NHL teams
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A wealthy hedge-fund manager won approval Monday for his plan to bring professional men's basketball and hockey back to Seattle, with initially skeptical City Council members agreeing to put up $200 million US for a new arena after he promised to personally guarantee the city's debt.

Council members voted 6-2 to approve Chris Hansen's plan for a $490 million arena near the Seahawks and Mariners stadiums south of downtown.

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09-24-2012, 08:24 PM
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Don't bring the NFL into this. The correct comparison would be the Nordiques to Colorado.
Both comparisons are correct, though.

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This was announced a few hours ago.



http://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/...is-hansen.html
Wouldn't Katz have the sell in this case though?

The Edmonton deal is still sweeter anyway, with the arena getting something like $350 million in public funding vs. just $200 mill from Seattle.

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09-24-2012, 08:26 PM
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Doesn't feel to good to be in that position eh Oilers fans?? Take it from experience as an NYI fan, we've been there. Best of luck to the Oilers on their attempt to get a new arena.
It ****ing sucks man. It would be tragic for either the Oil or the Isle to be relocated. Best of luck to you guys as well, we have so much in common I feel a little kinship with you guys.

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09-24-2012, 08:28 PM
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Never hope for fans to lose a team.
I would hope if it happens, that Schultz really dislikes Seattle

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As Alberta's were getting what we voted for.

You dont want taxes. You don't want government. You want privatization.

Here it is.

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