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09-26-2012, 02:36 PM
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I vividly remember Hedberg being the better goalie and still being stuck as the backup.
your vivid memory couldn't be more wrong

apart from a string of 2 or 3 shutouts in a row, hedberg was nothing spectacular in his only season as a canuck

his save percentage for that season was 0.900, below league average

in contrast, cloutier played 60 games that season and put up .914 save percentage, 11th amongst starting goalies


playoffs was another story.... haha

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09-26-2012, 02:59 PM
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It's worth mentioning that Cloutier was a goalie coach last year for Barrie in the OHL.

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09-26-2012, 03:29 PM
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Andre Racicot has been hired by Montreal, Roman Cechmanek by Philadelphia. Both are expected to help their students with the mental aspect of the game.
Once again, the Canucks lead the NHL in cutting edge thinking.

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Andre Racicot has been hired by Montreal
Red Light Racicot got a coaching job in Montreal, and WE are complaining about Cloutier?

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09-26-2012, 06:23 PM
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Andre Racicot has been hired by Montreal, Roman Cechmanek by Philadelphia. Both are expected to help their students with the mental aspect of the game.
Once again, the Canucks lead the NHL in cutting edge thinking.
Pretty sure we aren't the first team to hire a former goalie to be a goalie consultant.

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09-26-2012, 08:35 PM
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Meltdown vs Minny. That was Naslunds fault too right?
I blame Bertuzzi's big mouth and Crawford's inability to adjust to Minnesota...

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09-26-2012, 08:50 PM
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I blame Bertuzzi's big mouth and Crawford's inability to adjust to Minnesota...
how about Bertuzzi's obvious injury?

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how about Bertuzzi's obvious injury?
didnt you hear? It's better to blame heart and grit and mental issues that are non-quantifiable and disputable in their existence rather than literal tangible things because the latter are 'excuses'

basically if you can't actually prove it exists, its more impactful than things that do. didn't you watch captain planet? heart boy was an integral part of the team

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09-26-2012, 09:10 PM
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Uh huh. And what is that worth, exactly?
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So because you're not sentimental about a certain player they shouldn't be given a job? GREAT decision making.

You should also read something about this before spouting off... I mean its not like Cloutier was the Goalie Coach with the OHL's Barrie Colts or anything.
Who's saying he shouldn't be given the job and who's spouting off?

Just giving a random first impression. Relax. Jesus.

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09-26-2012, 09:46 PM
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Initial reaction to having Cloutier back in any official capacity:


Noooooooo!!!

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Well, maybe he can help the kids with...I dunno, crossword puzzles? As long as he's not imparting wisdom on positioning, reflexes or mental toughness, I suppose I'm okay with it. Not as if any games are being played right now, anyway.

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09-27-2012, 09:28 AM
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It wasn't that he was a bad goalie, it was the style he played - basically an old-school flopping-type hybrid. To put it bluntly, his mechanics and technique sucked.

In an age where everyone plays the butterfly, I'm very leery of goalies that didn't play that style themselves working with young butterfly guys.

Same thing with Bill Ranford and (much as I love him) Kirk McLean, who have not been terribly successful as goalie coaches in the NHL.

Having said that, as much as I'm still bitter about how he pissed away our chance to win a Cup in 2003, he was always a great guy and great team guy, so happy for him on that front.
It's a little sad you're still bitter about that.

I don't see anything wrong with this move...it's not like he's teaching our goalies how to play. He's teaching them tricks of the trade, keeping them focused on their craft, and he can be a great person to turn to for a young guy like Lack or even Schneider, when wondering how to deal with adversity. Luongo's not gonna be around for a heck of a lot longer.

Trust in Gillis, don't mind the move at all. Alot of the comments in here expose HF for the myriad of 15-18 year olds it is.

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09-27-2012, 09:37 AM
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I'm going to go ahead and say that those teams were overrated (although fun to watch) and they were never going to go far with or without Cloutier.

He sure put an exclamation point on that though.

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09-27-2012, 10:39 AM
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What?
Sorry but when you don't really have any information about a situation and then go on to say "it feels like" this or that, it's pretty much worthless.

You're criticizing the move based on a gut feeling you have based entirely on the fact that the Canucks hired a guy (who has worked elsewhere in a similar capacity I might add) who used to play for them.

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09-27-2012, 10:40 AM
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I'm going to go ahead and say that those teams were overrated (although fun to watch) and they were never going to go far with or without Cloutier.

He sure put an exclamation point on that though.
I do agree with this. Maybe with a better goaltender we get an extra playoff round here or there - but this team had numerous problems and was basically one line and a handful of very talented defensemen.

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09-27-2012, 12:18 PM
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He was brought in to help develop the Canucks’ off season dodge ball team.

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09-27-2012, 08:21 PM
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Plus who knows, maybe he can teach some of our guys how to freakin' fight.

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It wasn't that he was a bad goalie, it was the style he played - basically an old-school flopping-type hybrid. To put it bluntly, his mechanics and technique sucked.

In an age where everyone plays the butterfly, I'm very leery of goalies that didn't play that style themselves working with young butterfly guys.

Same thing with Bill Ranford and (much as I love him) Kirk McLean, who have not been terribly successful as goalie coaches in the NHL.

Having said that, as much as I'm still bitter about how he pissed away our chance to win a Cup in 2003, he was always a great guy and great team guy, so happy for him on that front.
how has Ranford not been successful? He's the goalie coach of a Vezina finalist and the Conn Smythe winner

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Just because you can't do doesn't mean you can't teach.

Why do all the best golfers in the world have swing coaches? Shouldn't those coaches be the top golfers if they have the knowledge?

Dan Cloutier had a better career as a goaltender than Rollie Melanson but we didn't crap our pants when Rollie was hired?

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09-28-2012, 01:59 PM
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Bad player does not equal bad coach.

So I guess we should fire Vigneault too? After all, the bum couldn't even get a regular lineup spot in the NHL ...

Oh, and Babcock and Trotz weren't even good enough to make the NHL, so the Wings and Preds were fools to hire them.

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Just because you can't do doesn't mean you can't teach.

Why do all the best golfers in the world have swing coaches? Shouldn't those coaches be the top golfers if they have the knowledge?

Dan Cloutier had a better career as a goaltender than Rollie Melanson but we didn't crap our pants when Rollie was hired?
I don't it's so much that's a bad hire than it is to once again poke fun at poor Cloutier.

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Bad player does not equal bad coach.

So I guess we should fire Vigneault too? After all, the bum couldn't even get a regular lineup spot in the NHL ...

Oh, and Babcock and Trotz weren't even good enough to make the NHL, so the Wings and Preds were fools to hire them.

Judging by this thread I think a lot of the younger fans (i'm 31) think that coaching is sort of like American Idol where an expert determines skill, instead of observing/mentoring and teaching.

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I forsee alot of centre line shooting drills being run by Dan the Man.

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Same thing with Bill Ranford and (much as I love him) Kirk McLean, who have not been terribly successful as goalie coaches in the NHL.
Yeah I mean Ranford's only been the LA Kings goalie coach since 2006, absolutely no quality between the pipes there no sir.

An NHL playing career is in no way a predictor for an NHL coaching career.

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09-29-2012, 08:36 PM
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Sorry but when you don't really have any information about a situation and then go on to say "it feels like" this or that, it's pretty much worthless.

You're criticizing the move based on a gut feeling you have based entirely on the fact that the Canucks hired a guy (who has worked elsewhere in a similar capacity I might add) who used to play for them.
I'm all for posts on a message board being "worthless" in that sense. It was an impression, not a criticism. Take it at face value, because I'm sure as hell not trying to convince anyone of anything or stating that I have a huge problem with this move.

This idea that a message board needs to be 100% structured debate and informative discussion is silly. Sometimes you have a serious problem with something and back it up with facts, sometimes you casually shoot off a first instinct feeling without claiming it has any factual substance. Both are valid posts, and personally, I have more interested in reading a message board that has plenty of both.


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So will Cloutier be reporting to Melanson now? Either way, I can't see how this is a bad hire, the goaltenders Cloutier coached in Barrie fared pretty well last season and it appears he'll be mostly a roving consultant. Guys like Honzik and Cannata could be helped by him, especially Honzik.

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