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09-26-2012, 12:42 PM
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Since I'm procrastinating I'll do one more, the Toronto Maple Leafs, since they were first mentioned:

Again I'll go 1999-2008, like I did with the Thrashers (couldn't with Columbus):
5 players with >200GP + Rask = 6 of 7 picks = 86% success rate
Avg pick: 18th overall

So again, Toronto is perfectly fine at drafting but they throw away their picks - 7 first round picks over a 10 year span in which they weren't a top team (and note this doesn't include the picks traded away for Kessel). Also, of that decade worth of first round picks not a single player remains on the Leafs.

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09-26-2012, 12:47 PM
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Oh my you're so off base it's not even funny....Michalek just decent(35 goals last year btw)?? Setoguchi meh??? He has multiple 20 + goal seasons/1 x 30 goals ...1 year ago he put up 66 pts in 74 games and that's meh , last year 31 goals/30 assists in 82 games...
Michalek up until last season was very meh. Compared to who was drafted after him? Furthermore, is it Ottawa or was it San Jose who really developed Michalek?

Setoguchi is also meh simply because he's very streaky as a top 6 forward.

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Without a doubt its Florida based on the sheer number of high picks that turned out to be terrible.

Petr Taticek
Michael Frolik
Rostislav Olesz
Anthony Stewart
Kendal Mcardle

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09-26-2012, 01:05 PM
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What's the criteria for distinguishing the two? How do we ever find out for certain?
Agree, its tough to say.

Let's take this year's draft for instance, Montreal had probably the best group of prospects they drafted out of everybody overall. You can say right now they were the best team at drafting.

But lets say 5 years from now, most of these players have failed to make a NHL roster because of poor developing. I'm sure people then will say Montreal did a terrible job drafting.

I know its a small sample size and the OP asked about teams drafting which would imply multiple years, but its this idea that in order to say what team is terrible at drafting kind of a hindsight type of question. Its easier to answer after the fact than it is right now.

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09-26-2012, 01:06 PM
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I am very sure you can take Minnesota and Calgary off this list. And maybe add Philly.
Minnesota's off, but Calgary not.

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Frustrating thing about the Leafs is they get a ton of serviceable players at the NHL level, but nothing to upgrade their fortunes.
That's just it. They trade away the guys more than anything.

It's tough to say who is the worst since some go where they should but bust. Sens look terrible early on.. Daigle over Pronger, Berard over Iginla and Doan but Daigle was "the next one", Berard suffered a career threatening eye injury. These guys went when they should have

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pre or post lockout?

important distinction

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09-26-2012, 01:59 PM
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Under Peter Chiarelli, the Bruins have been terrible at drafting and developing players.

Since Chiarelli took over after the 2006 draft the Bruins have 1 regular on the roster they've drafted: Tyler Seguin and he was a gimme pick.

Other than that it's been awful. There is a lot of potential in the newest batch of prospects: Hamilton, Knight, Spoon, Subban and Khokhlachev.

Here's hoping Chiarelli and his scouting staff can improve their embarrassing drafting record.

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Since I'm procrastinating I'll do one more, the Toronto Maple Leafs, since they were first mentioned:

Again I'll go 1999-2008, like I did with the Thrashers (couldn't with Columbus):
5 players with >200GP + Rask = 6 of 7 picks = 86% success rate
Avg pick: 18th overall

So again, Toronto is perfectly fine at drafting but they throw away their picks - 7 first round picks over a 10 year span in which they weren't a top team (and note this doesn't include the picks traded away for Kessel). Also, of that decade worth of first round picks not a single player remains on the Leafs.
The 1st part of that period was the Quinn CF years. The Leafs were
doing great, and Quinn was looking for the last piece. He got lots
of old pieces, which cost many picks.

JFJ in hindsight, and in his defense probably was in the worst position a rookie could ever be in. The team was slowly showing its age, and though he couldn't manage a proper retool, he did draft quite well. He also failed to see how the game changed, after the lockout, and that was his downfall. I'd have him back in a second...as a scout.

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09-26-2012, 02:09 PM
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Columbus has a massive split between the MacLean and Howson eras in terms of drafting.

The notable busts that everyone remembers came primarily under MacLean. The high picks in each round that actually made the NHL were, by and large, depth players. Howson's only been drafting since 2007, but the number of actual future NHL players in the system has skyrocketed.

MacLean picked exactly 1 first-line NHL forward (Rick Nash), 0 first-pairing defensemen, and 0 top goalies. He picked 2 second-line NHL forwards (Derick Brassard, Nikolai Zherdev) and 2 second-pairing defensemen (Marc Methot, Rostislav Klesla). Everyone else who even made the NHL is third-line (or lower) or not NHL-caliber.

But what makes MacLean's drafting worse are the blown opportunities. While other teams were plucking All-Stars from the 2003 draft, Columbus got Zherdev and Dan Fritsche. Taken three picks after each of them (by Nashville) were Ryan Suter and Shea Weber. Columbus had a 2nd-rounder (33rd overall), but traded it to Dallas for Grant Marshall; Dallas picked Loui Eriksson.

Howson, to his credit, has drafted a hell of a lot better. The jury is still out on several prospects, but the difference is that 2, 3, and 4 years down the road after being picked, these guys are still prospects instead of being out of hockey entirely. Even Filatov, who was traded for a high 3rd-rounder, was turned into a vastly underrated forward prospect (TJ Tynan). I was downtown for the development camp in June, and couldn't believe how good Daniel Zaar (a completely unknown 6th-rounder this year) looked, even compared to guys who have NHL experience.

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09-26-2012, 02:29 PM
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Gonna throw the Oilers out there, with the stipulation that their can't-miss picks didn't miss. Other than the first round, Edmonton have a long string of trash. Since 2004, best guy they picked was Peckham, who's no gem, and next is Petry, who's a dime-a-dozen tweener.

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The Devils have picked out a couple gems here and there (Pari$e, Brodeur, Henrique, Fayne, Zajac), but they've had their fair share of duds and busts. Too many to name, frankly.

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It's very easy for you to look back in hindsight and make these judgements. At the time, none of the 3 players you mentioned were considered crazy reaches. Bailey might have been a little high, but Nino went around where he was projected and so did Strome.

A lot can be said about the manner in which the Isles have developed their kids (throwing them into the fire when they're not ready), but calling them the worst drafting team in the league? Premature. I'd wait until they've all played a little bit in the NHL before calling them poor choices.
No. It's not in hindsight. I was critical of the picks at the time. It's not like I'm criticising them for not taking MDZ, Carlson, Stepan, or Henrique. They went with the "we know better than everyone and we're not going to take BPA" approach

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Pre-2009, the only notable Avs draft picks I can think of are Stastny and Liles. It's improved since then, even if we have a thing for small OHL centres with upside.

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Pittsburgh is definitely up there. Outside of Letang and Goligoski; what great player has come out of Pittsburgh's draft class in the last 10 years that wasn't a first rounder?

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They haven't been;

1st round picks in 2000-2012

No pick, Marcel Goc (meh), Mike Morris (bust), Milan Michalek (decent), Steven Bernier (meh), Lukas Kaspar (bust), Devin Setoguchi (meh), Ty Wishart (bust), Logan Couture (good), Nick Petrecki (good), Charlie Coyle (traded), Tomas Hertl (TBD)

Only two players in the past 12 years from the 1st round are on the team, Michalek, Setoguchi, Coyle are good players (traded for Burns and Havlat (via Heatley). They've done okay defensively but offensively? Ew.
The draft lasts more than one round.

2000: Nothing

2001: Ehrhoff, Clowe

2002: Nothing

2003: Carle, Pavelski

2004: Mitchell

2005: Vlasic

2006: McGinn

2007: Nothing

2008: Demers

2009-10-11-12: too early.

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Calgary.

1997-2007 they drafted two good NHL'ers. Three if you count Stoll.
Do you count Iginla? Even though he wasn't technically drafted by the Flames, I still consider him as a homegrown player for the Flames.

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Without typing that all out, for Columbus:

2000-2009 first round picks:
6 players with >200 GP out of 10 picks (60%)
Avg pick: 7th overall

By those measures Columbus was noticeably worse than even the Thrashers. When you add to that the subjective measure of players who could be considered busts or bad picks, you have Zherdev, Brule and Brassard, and the picture looks considerably worse.
Strongly agree with this. A straight evaluation of GP'ed is obviously flawed, because having a top 10 pick turn into a waiver casualty marginal player (Brule, Zherdev) is a big fail. Just because those guys played 200+ NHL games doesn't make it a "good" pick. The Av's turning a 1st rounder into Scott Parker who played 300+ NHL games doesn't make that a "successful" pick IMO.

And my vote goes to the Calgary Flames. Successful, consistently legit NHL forwards (quality top 9 forward) drafted since 1990: Cory Stillman (92), Jonus Hoglund (92), German Titov (93), Jarrett Stoll (00), Matthew Lombardi (02). If you don't evaluate anyone from that last 4 years, that's still only 5 guys they drafted in 18 years that turned into legit NHL forwards. Add in that Hoglund, Stoll & Lombardi only turned into a top 9 forward after they left Calgary, and it shows just how poor of a job they did for an extended period of time.


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Gonna throw the Oilers out there, with the stipulation that their can't-miss picks didn't miss. Other than the first round, Edmonton have a long string of trash. Since 2004, best guy they picked was Peckham, who's no gem, and next is Petry, who's a dime-a-dozen tweener.
This seems very uninformed. Petry was the Oilers best dman last year and most see him as having the potential to be a late blooming top pairing dman. How is that dime a dozen? The Oilers were definitely one of the worst under Prendergast, but since Stu took over in 08 they're right up there and its an easy case to make that they have the best prospect cupboard in the league. Since 08, they've gotten guys like Pitlick, Marincin, Musil, Gernat, Lander, Hartikainen, and Rieder all outside of the first round, and all of which have very high potential

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Pittsburgh is definitely up there. Outside of Letang and Goligoski; what great player has come out of Pittsburgh's draft class in the last 10 years that wasn't a first rounder?
I looked at 1999-2008, as it's too early to judge 2009-10-11-12.

1999: Ryan Malone

2002: Erik Christensen, Maxime Talbot

2003: Dan Carcillo, Matt Moulson (drafted, did not sign)

2004: Tyler Kennedy

Add Letang (2005) and Goligoski (2004).

Not very good, but not very bad.

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I am very sure you can take Minnesota and Calgary off this list. And maybe add Philly.
Hilarious.

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Yeah, the Wings have definitely stocked the cupboard up with some pretty solid prospects lately, but before the last 2 or 3 drafts, there was a long stretch of disappointments, at least IMO. Sure we got some good NHLers like Helm, Kindl, Abdelkader, etc. No real star players, though. Howard was a pretty good pick, but in general there were a lot of misses and players who have made the NHL/are close, but their ceilings aren't as high as we originally hoped.
IMO Detroit fans should be ecstatic about Anthansiou. There isn't a doubt in my mind that If he had developed more consistency he'd have been a 1st round pick.

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Pittsburgh is definitely up there. Outside of Letang and Goligoski; what great player has come out of Pittsburgh's draft class in the last 10 years that wasn't a first rounder?
Pittsburgh's not up there at all. Apart from the fact that it makes no sense to exclude Letang and Goligoski while also excluding all first rounders, there are teams that haven't even drafted a player as minimally successful as Joe Vitale outside the first round, to say nothing of Tyler Kennedy. Not that these guys are great forwards or anything, but they're not Peter Olvecky either.

This isn't to say Pittsburgh's got the draft record of, say, Philadelphia (whose amateur and pro scouts all deserve pay raises), but they aren't in the muck with the bottom teams, either.

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This seems very uninformed. Petry was the Oilers best dman last year and most see him as having the potential to be a late blooming top pairing dman. How is that dime a dozen? The Oilers were definitely one of the worst under Prendergast, but since Stu took over in 08 they're right up there and its an easy case to make that they have the best prospect cupboard in the league. Since 08, they've gotten guys like Pitlick, Marincin, Musil, Gernat, Lander, Hartikainen, and Rieder all outside of the first round, and all of which have very high potential
The Oilers finished last because a dime a dozen tweener was getting regular minutes on D (as were two guys who'd be better cast as enforcers).

And rattling names off your prospect list means absolutely nothing. Had someone done the same with Florida at any point in the last decade, they'd have come up with a longer, more impressive set of names with better pedigree...few of which amounted to much of anything.

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Pittsburgh's not up there at all. Apart from the fact that it makes no sense to exclude Letang and Goligoski while also excluding all first rounders, there are teams that haven't even drafted a player as minimally successful as Joe Vitale outside the first round, to say nothing of Tyler Kennedy. Not that these guys are great forwards or anything, but they're not Peter Olvecky either.

This isn't to say Pittsburgh's got the draft record of, say, Philadelphia (whose amateur and pro scouts all deserve pay raises), but they aren't in the muck with the bottom teams, either.
Who have the Flyers drafted, besides first rounders, that have made it as semi-decent NHLers in the last 15-20 years? It's an extremely small list. Probably one of the worst in the league.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rs_draft_picks

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Who have the Flyers drafted, besides first rounders, that have made it as semi-decent NHLers in the last 15-20 years? It's an extremely small list. Probably one of the worst in the league.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rs_draft_picks
Sharp and Seidenberg for starters.

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