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09-26-2012, 05:13 PM
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Whos Better? Ilya Kovalchuk vs. Henrik Sedin

Somehow, Kovalchuk beat out not just Pavel Datsyuk but also Shea Weber. How that happened is beyond me, but right now, he is in the finals with H. Sedin (who also managed to beat Malkin somehow). Anyways, here's the link if you want to vote and I guess discuss whether Kovalchuk is actually better than Datsyuk, Weber (or H. Sedin).

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=9706

When everyone in Russia wakes up tomorrow, I think Kovalchuk will then get the win.

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09-26-2012, 05:27 PM
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He might win! That's awesome. Finally some Kovy love.

Vote people!

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09-26-2012, 05:31 PM
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Kovalchuk is better than Datsyuk and Weber. But this is good, if Kovalchuk somehow had the clone version of him to play with he'd easily lead the league in scoring.

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Kovalchuk is better than Datsyuk and Weber. But this is good, if Kovalchuk somehow had the clone version of him to play with he'd easily lead the league in scoring.
You'd be hard pressed to argue that to pretty much every hockey fan, and probably 50% of the Devils fans.

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09-26-2012, 05:39 PM
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You'd be hard pressed to argue that to pretty much every hockey fan, and probably 50% of the Devils fans.
Datsyuk has never scored more than 31 goals in his entire career and Kovalchuk has done that every year except his rookie season.

I think it's hard to compare D-men vs. forwards

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09-26-2012, 05:42 PM
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Datsyuk has never scored more than 31 goals in his entire career and Kovalchuk has done that every year except his rookie season.

I think it's hard to compare D-men vs. forwards
Were not talking who's the better goal scorer.

It's who's the best overall player. Datsyuk is the better overall player, including the defensive side of his game. Kovalchuk, while he has improved his defensive game, his defensive game is nowhere near the level of Datsyuks right now. Only thing he really has over Datsyuk is shooting and strength. Datsyuk is also a center, and thus, far more valuable.

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09-26-2012, 05:45 PM
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I vote Zach Parise! Why no option for him?

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09-26-2012, 05:54 PM
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Were not talking who's the better goal scorer.

It's who's the best overall player. Datsyuk is the better overall player, including the defensive side of his game. Kovalchuk, while he has improved his defensive game, his defensive game is nowhere near the level of Datsyuks right now. Only thing he really has over Datsyuk is shooting and strength. Datsyuk is also a center, and thus, far more valuable.
Datsyuk really only has takeaways as something over Kovalchuk. As far as the offensive components of the game Kovalchuk is easily superior. Again, overall player isn't just the guy who is better defensively. The offensive component needs to be taken into account and the defensive component can't be overrated which really happens alot in these types of comparisons. Finally, being a center doesn't make you more valueable. Considering that Kovalchuk can switch from right wing and left wing at will makes him more valueable because many players simply can't do that along with the fact that Kovy can play the point. With the few amount of forwards that do play the point and in watching how a talented and smart forward in Elias failed at the point proves that it's a great skill to do so.

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09-26-2012, 06:21 PM
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Datsyuk is one of the best overall players in the league.

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Wouldn't have expected these to be the last 2, but I'm cool with it. In case anyone cares, I just voted and it made it 50.2% for Kovy, 49.8% for Sedin, so its pretty close after the ~2400 votes or so that have been cast.

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09-26-2012, 06:35 PM
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Wouldn't have expected these to be the last 2, but I'm cool with it. In case anyone cares, I just voted and it made it 50.2% for Kovy, 49.8% for Sedin, so its pretty close after the ~2400 votes or so that have been cast.
Once everyone in Russia wakes up, Kovalchuk has this one in the bag.

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09-26-2012, 06:41 PM
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Datsyuk is one of the best overall players in the league.
The best, no question about it.

Silly polls, but I actually like this one more and more.

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09-26-2012, 07:27 PM
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I voted 17 times for number 17.

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It should be Malkin vs. Datsyuk... but I'll take it.

Go Kovy!

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Sedin has a 5% lead!

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I'm surprised he made it to finals in a tsn poll. These usually get dominated by max pacioretty and other terrible Canadians. Like how the **** is Crosby not facing himself in the finals?

If kovy beats the nuck I won't believe it, some Russian hacker must be behind it!

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Basically, if the players teams were reversed Kovy would be winning. Probably by a larger margin than Sedin is now.

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Somehow, Kovalchuk beat out not just Pavel Datsyuk but also Shea Weber. How that happened is beyond me, but right now, he is in the finals with H. Sedin (who also managed to beat Malkin somehow). Anyways, here's the link if you want to vote and I guess discuss whether Kovalchuk is actually better than Datsyuk, Weber (or H. Sedin).

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=9706

When everyone in Russia wakes up tomorrow, I think Kovalchuk will then get the win.
It's a popularity contest.

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Sedin has a 5% lead!
Russia is quietly waking up right now, or at least the early birds are.

By 4 AM tonight (12PM Moscow Standard Time), everyone in Russia will tune in and vote for Kovalchuk, and he will win, which is also probably how he beat Weber.

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Is Kovy really more popular than Weber, and Datsyuk though?

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Is Kovy really more popular than Weber, and Datsyuk though?
What I was thinking of was people chaning their opinions after watching him play through the playoffs with a clear injury, but then all I heard from people was Canadian media and broadcasters bashing his play and only briefly recognizing his injury.

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Datsyuk has never scored more than 31 goals in his entire career and Kovalchuk has done that every year except his rookie season.

I think it's hard to compare D-men vs. forwards
Datsyuk doesnt exactly get paid to score goals

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didn't Crosby lose in the first round of this? its all just sillyness

Kovy is not a better player than Datsyuk or Weber IMO, but whatevz, I'll take it

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didn't Crosby lose in the first round of this? its all just sillyness

Kovy is not a better player than Datsyuk or Weber IMO, but whatevz, I'll take it
It's over 26 years of age, hence Crosby didn't make the cut.

Update: It's 49.9 for Kovalchuk right now. Early birds in Russia are sending in their votes.

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Kovalchuk has taken the lead lol!

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