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10-29-2012, 06:20 PM
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Way too much skill to not be in the NHL next year.

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10-29-2012, 06:23 PM
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If I understand the rules correctly, Rielly isn't eligible to play on the Marlies until the 2014/15 season. If this is the case and the NHL remains locked out for the entire 2012/13 season, do you guys see Rielly back with the Warriors next season or with the Leafs?
He will be with Leafs. He has nothing to learn down there imo. The only thing he can practise on is positional defense. However if what others say is true (that he doesnt have to play defense in the O because it's rarely in his end), then staying down there one more year is a waste of time.

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He will be with Leafs. He has nothing to learn down there imo. The only thing he can practise on is positional defense. However if what others say is true (that he doesnt have to play defense in the O because it's rarely in his end), then staying down there one more year is a waste of time.
When I watched the Edmonton game the puck was in the Moose Jaw end the whole game

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10-29-2012, 07:14 PM
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When I watched the Edmonton game the puck was in the Moose Jaw end the whole game
Edmonton is a great team though

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10-29-2012, 07:18 PM
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Seems like he only picked up the 1 assist, yesterday not 2 . Must've changed it .

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10-29-2012, 07:41 PM
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Edmonton is a great team though
Yeah they're pretty good but it's games like that which prove Morgan can still benefit by developing in junior. He got beat a few times in that game. I highly doubt he stays in junior past this year because his offensive skill is off the charts but they will have to shelter him and not give him the Luke Schenn treatment

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10-29-2012, 07:58 PM
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Seems like he only picked up the 1 assist, yesterday not 2 . Must've changed it .
Ah, it seems as though that is the case, unfortunately. Oh well, he'll get an extra one next game!

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10-29-2012, 09:46 PM
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Looking at the replay right now, can't say I agree with Point getting the secondary assist since he didn't touch the puck after Rielly passed it off to Brown (Brown got the primary assist).

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Way too much skill to not be in the NHL next year.
Definitely has the talent, but I worry about both his defensive play -- although subpar defense didn't stop Jake Gardiner from being an effective player -- and how his knee will fare against bigger, more physical opponents. I'd hate to see him thrown into the bigs before he's 100% physically mature only to re-injure that knee.

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Definitely has the talent, but I worry about both his defensive play -- although subpar defense didn't stop Jake Gardiner from being an effective player -- and how his knee will fare against bigger, more physical opponents. I'd hate to see him thrown into the bigs before he's 100% physically mature only to re-injure that knee.
If he's able to get through the entire WHL season without aggravating the knee, then adding on an entire offseason of recovery it's pretty safe to assume his knee is fine for the NHL.

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10-29-2012, 10:53 PM
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Definitely has the talent, but I worry about both his defensive play -- although subpar defense didn't stop Jake Gardiner from being an effective player -- and how his knee will fare against bigger, more physical opponents. I'd hate to see him thrown into the bigs before he's 100% physically mature only to re-injure that knee.
I know that if he plays in the NHL next year we could always shelter his minutes, what worries me about that though is we have some other players who could still use some sheltered minutes themselves haha. Someone like Gardiner could maybe use a little more, but we won't be pairing him with Rielly I don't think. We are likely to see Komi, Franson or Gunnar with him. Of those guys, Franson could probably use the sheltering a little as well so he may be the partner. But then again I also don't think Franson will be back. Which leaves Komi or Gunnar, Gunnar probably will be with Phaneuf again which leaves Komi. That could be alright. One of our bigger guys being on the ice with him all the time. Hoping he rebounds under Carlyle.

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If he's able to get through the entire WHL season without aggravating the knee, then adding on an entire offseason of recovery it's pretty safe to assume his knee is fine for the NHL.
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10-29-2012, 11:28 PM
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really think looking back we will be stunned he was at #5 and the injury was a blessing in disguise


cant remember the last time we had an elite prospect on the back end with superstar potential, wish id get to see him play more but the games I've seen he can and has controlled the entire game when the puck is on his stick

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I know that if he plays in the NHL next year we could always shelter his minutes, what worries me about that though is we have some other players who could still use some sheltered minutes themselves haha. Someone like Gardiner could maybe use a little more, but we won't be pairing him with Rielly I don't think. We are likely to see Komi, Franson or Gunnar with him. Of those guys, Franson could probably use the sheltering a little as well so he may be the partner. But then again I also don't think Franson will be back. Which leaves Komi or Gunnar, Gunnar probably will be with Phaneuf again which leaves Komi. That could be alright. One of our bigger guys being on the ice with him all the time. Hoping he rebounds under Carlyle.



Agreed
if komi doesnt flourish under a coach like murray he wont be getting calls from any team when he becomes a FA again imo

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if komi doesnt flourish under a coach like murray he wont be getting calls from any team when he becomes a FA again imo
You mean Carlyle

But yes agreed. Komi really has to step it up this year. I have always felt bad for Komi, more then hate him like everyone else. He seems like a good guy, and seeing some interviews with him over the summer it seems like he's working his ass off.

He's a guy, that after next season, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping around if he improves his game. For the right price he would be a solid leadership guy, and a vet to have on the 3rd pairing.

Again, should he improve.

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Definitely has the talent, but I worry about both his defensive play -- although subpar defense didn't stop Jake Gardiner from being an effective player -- and how his knee will fare against bigger, more physical opponents. I'd hate to see him thrown into the bigs before he's 100% physically mature only to re-injure that knee.
His defensive game is still good, and people that watch him a lot (and I have even seen some people on twitter that are prospect guys or whatever) say it's getting better every game

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You mean Carlyle

But yes agreed. Komi really has to step it up this year. I have always felt bad for Komi, more then hate him like everyone else. He seems like a good guy, and seeing some interviews with him over the summer it seems like he's working his ass off.

He's a guy, that after next season, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping around if he improves his game. For the right price he would be a solid leadership guy, and a vet to have on the 3rd pairing.

Again, should he improve.
This sounds terrible to me. I tried to like him. I did. And yeah he seems like a great person off the ice, but c'mon. He'd have to take a MAJOR paycut. And even then, we have youngsters in our system who can play a better two-way than Komi.

Plus, what has he even done in his career?

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This sounds terrible to me. I tried to like him. I did. And yeah he seems like a great person off the ice, but c'mon. He'd have to take a MAJOR paycut. And even then, we have youngsters in our system who can play a better two-way than Komi.

Plus, what has he even done in his career?
He was very good in Montreal, maybe not an all-star, but he was good.

He will obviously take a paycut. He will probably have to take about 1.5-1.8 on a 1 year deal in order to come back.

Also, I find it funny that everyone says we need leadership, but also wants a team completely made up of young rookies.

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson?/Finn?/Blacker?
Komi - Gunner/Blacker/Percy

Komi at 1.65 lets say, on a 1 year deal, if he improves his game, really isn't that bad.

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This sounds terrible to me. I tried to like him. I did. And yeah he seems like a great person off the ice, but c'mon. He'd have to take a MAJOR paycut. And even then, we have youngsters in our system who can play a better two-way than Komi.

Plus, what has he even done in his career?




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cant remember the last time we had an elite prospect on the back end with superstar potential, wish id get to see him play more but the games I've seen he can and has controlled the entire game when the puck is on his stick
Wendel Clark?

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He was very good in Montreal, maybe not an all-star, but he was good.

He will obviously take a paycut. He will probably have to take about 1.5-1.8 on a 1 year deal in order to come back.

Also, I find it funny that everyone says we need leadership, but also wants a team completely made up of young rookies.

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson?/Finn?/Blacker?
Komi - Gunner/Blacker/Percy

Komi at 1.65 lets say, on a 1 year deal, if he improves his game, really isn't that bad.
I agree with you. For one of the worser leafs this season, Komi wasn't shy about going in front of the camera and giving an interview. When Carlyle started to coach, he and Connolly were some of the players who visibly improved their play. That isn't to say I like his contract, but if he were to take a drastic paycut, then I wouldn't mind him in a bottom pairing role with one of our rookie puck-moving defensemen.

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I agree with you. For one of the worser leafs this season, Komi wasn't shy about going in front of the camera and giving an interview. When Carlyle started to coach, he and Connolly were some of the players who visibly improved their play. That isn't to say I like his contract, but if he were to take a drastic paycut, then I wouldn't mind him in a bottom pairing role with one of our rookie puck-moving defensemen.
exactly. when the Leafs were on that huge slump, Komisarek was one of the only Leafs (with Reimer and maybe Liles) to give an interview after games a such. Everyone else avoided the media.

If he can keep improving under Carlyle, and he takes a paycut, I would want him as a 5th/6th guy

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Wendel Clark?
Yep. Wendel Clark was the last elite defensive prospect we had...and you know what we did with him right!? Rielly to center Kessel!!

I think the hockey gods were finally in our favour for once.

Missed out on Pietrangelo by a pick, missed out on Brayden Schenn, OEL by 1-2 picks, finally we get an elite prospect that can make a difference on both sides of the ice.

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He was very good in Montreal, maybe not an all-star, but he was good.

He will obviously take a paycut. He will probably have to take about 1.5-1.8 on a 1 year deal in order to come back.

Also, I find it funny that everyone says we need leadership, but also wants a team completely made up of young rookies.

Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson?/Finn?/Blacker?
Komi - Gunner/Blacker/Percy

Komi at 1.65 lets say, on a 1 year deal, if he improves his game, really isn't that bad.
Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Gunnar
Komi/Franson/Finn/Blacker/Holzer/Granberg/Percy

Gunnar doesn't go from 1st. pairing to 3rd. pairing for any of those players.

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If he's able to get through the entire WHL season without aggravating the knee, then adding on an entire offseason of recovery it's pretty safe to assume his knee is fine for the NHL.
It's not the routine skating around/running/training that I think poses the most danger to him, it's going up against men while he's a 19 year old kid. I just don't know if I'd be super duper sure the muscle around the knee would be strong/mature enough to hold up against NHL guys is all.

I like Rielly. I don't want him to get screwed over

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It's not the routine skating around/running/training that I think poses the most danger to him, it's going up against men while he's a 19 year old kid. I just don't know if I'd be super duper sure the muscle around the knee would be strong/mature enough to hold up against NHL guys is all.

I like Rielly. I don't want him to get screwed over
If after 2 years of recovery, at a key developmental time where the body is able to quickly heal it can't hold up - there's a chance it never will. He's an athlete. His knee would be fine. I think many here are scared of him turning into Luke Schenn 2.0. Fact is, hes a much better player with a completely different and much more translatable skill set.

Personally, I'd like them play out the year in Juniors, get some solid time at the WJC and Subway Series then play him in a bottom pairing/partially top 4 role with the big club.

Phaneuf - Gardiner
Gunnarson - Liles
Komi - Rielly

Rielly and Liles become interchangeable to give Rielly more time if needed.

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