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09-29-2012, 01:29 AM
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Anyone else find it strange that Byfugliens fat thread is only 5 pages in while Kadri's not the worst on his team but in the lower quarter of body fat % is on the 8th page?
It's the 2nd Byfuglien fat thread.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ight=byfuglien

Went on for 11 pages, so 16 in total.

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09-29-2012, 01:30 AM
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Look for the Kadri interview, thought he defended himself well and had a very mature interview. Overall he makes it sound much better then the article.

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09-29-2012, 01:31 AM
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It's the 2nd Byfuglien fat thread.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ight=byfuglien

Went on for 11 pages, so 16 in total.
over the course of 20 days rather than the 1 of this one

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09-29-2012, 01:35 AM
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over the course of 20 days rather than the 1 of this one
Well it was 10 pages in one day before it died down. I assume the same will happen with this one. The fact the Media blew it out of proportion also makes this a bigger story than it should be.

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09-29-2012, 01:41 AM
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Also, his BF% is lower than it was last year. I don't see why the correlation to the rest of the team would matter. Games and on ice results speak louder than training camp.

Besides, I'm betting Eakins was expecting a massive change. Obviously, he overhyped Roberts' training too. 21 is still young.

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09-29-2012, 01:59 AM
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Because none are in Toronto. This is a common thing to do here due to the media attention. Many do it to light a fire under a player. Ron Wilson did it to Kessel towards the end of the 2010-2011 season. How did that work out?

EDIT: Ironically, didn't he work with Roberts that offseason and came into camp in extremely good shape? Leading to his PPG season?
Was this ever confirmed?

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09-29-2012, 02:10 AM
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Well that would translate to 31.16 points in an 82 game season.

Lets look at others and how some others did:

Henrik Sedin: 29 points in 82 games at age 20. 36 points in 82 games at age 21. 39 points in 78 games at age 22(almost 23). He was given s much better opportunity to succeed is also worth noting.

Daniel Sedin: 34 points in 75 games at age 20. 32 points in 79 games at age 21. 31 points in 79 games at age 22 (almost 23). He was actually getting worse

Corey Perry: At the same age Kadri is now played 56 games, 25 points.

Loui Eriksson: at age 22, had 19 points in 59 games.

Patrick Sharp: Age 22 had 7 career points in 44 games. Age 24 had 31 points in 72 games. Age 25 had 35 points in 80 games.

Ryan Kesler: At age 23 he had 44 points in 158 career games. That would translate to 22.84 points over 82 games. Well below Kadri's pace.

These guys are all 3rd liners right?

Point is, he is ONLY 21. Tons and tons of guys make 0 impact until after that, too much talent to give up on.
Kadri is as good as Sedin, Perry, Kesler, Sharp, and Eriksson?

Cool.

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09-29-2012, 02:26 AM
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He's a bust. That makes two so far from the 2009 NHL draft (Kadri and Glennie).

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09-29-2012, 02:34 AM
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Toronto,s media needs to **** ,and leave the kids alone .They already had a hand in running Luke Schenn out of town .That gaggle of reporters needs to be muzzled big time ,toronto will never be able to develop or sign anybody with them always overblowing the smallest details of these players

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09-29-2012, 03:43 AM
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its not gary roberts its him

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09-29-2012, 05:11 AM
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Kadri is as good as Sedin, Perry, Kesler, Sharp, and Eriksson?

Cool.
Yes, that was clearly the point I was making

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09-29-2012, 05:14 AM
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Nazem is just over a week from his 22nd birthday, a week before his 22nd birthday Corey Perry had played 101 NHL regular season games (69 points) and was in the middle of a Cup run. Manipulation at its best because Kadri's birthday is a couple weeks after the cut off so you're trying to give him a whole year of development on Perry. Four OHL seasons and then two pro seasons later and Kadri is way, way, way behind where Perry was at the same stage with a fraction of the accomplishments. A seventh overall pick doing so little in the NHL his first two pro seasons has to be at least a little worrisome. Most of the guys listed didn't have Kadri's draft pedigree and as a result bloomed later (as they bloomed post draft). Kadri was drafted the same OHL round as Stamkos, MDZ, Bogosian, Pietrangelo and Hodgson. He should be just as far as long or at least close to one of them. Hodgson severely jacked up his back and still has twice the NHL production. Kadri is definitely not a bust yet but I think his window to become an effective player for the Toronto Maple Leafs is shrinking. If they grew tired of Schenn so quickly I don't see why Kadri couldn't be out the door soon.
When the NHL season ended he was 6 months from his 22nd birthday.

4 of the guys I mentioned were first rounders, 2 were top 3 picks.

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09-29-2012, 05:24 AM
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The Sedins were playing the PK and third line duties for the first few years of their career.
This is my point on Kadri. He mostly played with Lambardi/Connolly and Cmac last year but regardless going up and down so much is tough to click with guys.

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09-29-2012, 05:33 AM
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He's a bust. That makes two so far from the 2009 NHL draft (Kadri and Glennie).
So...
is brayden schenn then?
63 Games, 20 Points, 8 Goals.
Because Kadri is
51 games, 19 points, 6 goals.

Therefore if Kadri is a bust then so must these guys:

Peter Holland of the Anaheim ducks?
Magnus Paajarvi?
Ellis?
De Haan?
Rundblad?
Moore?
Josefson?
Erixon?
Schroeder?
Caron?
Palmieri?
Kassian?
Olsen?
Paradis?
Ashton?
Despres?
Ferraro?
Silfverberg?
S. Elliot?
Morin?
Panik?
Blacker?
Pirri?
Tatar?
P.Samuelsson?
Anders Nilsson?
Michael Latta?
Taylor Beck?
Urbom?
Bobkov?
Rajala?
Sami Vatanen?
Corban Knight?
Eric Wellwood?

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I don't see what that has to do with anything.

People have said all along...Schenn's biggest problem is skating. He fixes that and he's well on his way to being a good shutdown D that can chip in 20-25 points.

As far as Kadri goes...I don't know ANY prospect of any other team that is under more pressure than Kadri. Not even 1st overalls are scrutinized this much.

I can understand the media though. If there was no lockout, there wouldn't be this article. Since there is and we have nothing to talk about..might as well get something.
I disagree with that. Skating was ONE of Schenn's biggest problems. He also handles the puck like a grenade and has such terrible defensive awareness that even WE used him sparingly. He has a long way to go before being a good shutdown D. My point was, anyone's tradable at any instant if the trade fits a position of need.

I do agree that this probably wouldn't be news if there wasn't a lockout. Being a Knights fan myself, i'd hate to see Kadri fail.

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So...
is brayden schenn then?
63 Games, 20 Points, 8 Goals.
Because Kadri is
51 games, 19 points, 6 goals.

Therefore if Kadri is a bust then so must these guys:

Peter Holland of the Anaheim ducks?
Magnus Paajarvi?
Ellis?
De Haan?
Rundblad?
Moore?
Josefson?
Erixon?
Schroeder?
Caron?
Palmieri?
Kassian?
Olsen?
Paradis?
Ashton?
Despres?
Ferraro?
Silfverberg?
S. Elliot?
Morin?
Panik?
Blacker?
Pirri?
Tatar?
P.Samuelsson?
Anders Nilsson?
Michael Latta?
Taylor Beck?
Urbom?
Bobkov?
Rajala?
Sami Vatanen?
Corban Knight?
Eric Wellwood?
Silf? why is he on this list? He came from the Sel league and has developed just fine for a 2nd ROUND PICK..

Out of that list who were 1st rounders? And who was picked top ten?...Its Leaf fans like you that are annoying..

As far as Kadri goes i still think he will be a player..Send him Ottawa's way hehe..

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09-29-2012, 06:22 AM
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Silf? why is he on this list? He came from the Sel league and has developed just fine for a 2nd ROUND PICK..

Out of that list who were 1st rounders? And who was picked top ten?...Its Leaf fans like you that are annoying..

As far as Kadri goes i still think he will be a player..Send him Ottawa's way hehe..
And it's posters like you who don't see what I responded to that frustrates me.

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He's a bust. That makes two so far from the 2009 NHL draft (Kadri and Glennie).
You are a sens fan ofc you came to defend silf, but forgot the entire topic instead. I like him too but read the post and why I responded, I bolded it for you.

Also not happening. Give us Zibanejad then

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Silf? why is he on this list? He came from the Sel league and has developed just fine for a 2nd ROUND PICK..

Out of that list who were 1st rounders? And who was picked top ten?...Its Leaf fans like you that are annoying..

As far as Kadri goes i still think he will be a player..Send him Ottawa's way hehe..
Okay so, a top ten pick must be a great NHLer within a few years or he's a bust but if a guys not a top pick then it's totally cool that he doesn't make it till he's 25 or so right? NHL readyness is somehow confused with potential around here. Just because a kid is drafted high does not mean he's ready in the near future whatsoever.

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Daniel Sedin did not.

Also, most of the guys I mentioned barely played in the NHL at 21 or younger and if they did, their point totals were similar. That was my point.
And we could easily show just as many players that fell off the map, which is why comparing career trajectories of superstars to someone with fifty games played over a few seasons is laughable.

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Okay so, a top ten pick must be a great NHLer within a few years or he's a bust but if a guys not a top pick then it's totally cool that he doesn't make it till he's 25 or so right? NHL readyness is somehow confused with potential around here. Just because a kid is drafted high does not mean he's ready in the near future whatsoever.
Historically, the higher the pick, the faster the readiness for the NHL; this isn't a "whatsoever" situation.

We're talking about a player that will be 22 in a week, these comments aren't a good sign regardless of pedigree. But because he's a young prospect with such few games under his belt it's particularly alarming; especially given the route that players like Stamkos and Seguin have taken, literally transforming their bodies at a young age.

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And we could easily show just as many players that fell off the map, which is why comparing career trajectories of superstars to someone with fifty games played over a few seasons is laughable.
Which is kind of his point. Judging a career before it has begun is laughable.

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Which is kind of his point. Judging a career before it has begun is laughable.
Using superstars to prop up that argument is probably more misleading than the other way around, but either way.

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If you actually watch Eakins's scrum, its actually not that bad and the comment was really taken out of context in this article. The comment was almost harmless and Kadri did a good job defending himself I thought. Eakins basically said that every young player matures and learns that you need to eat better around the clock. That its not just with Kadri. Kadri himself said that he feels he is in the best shape he's been in, he just has to stop such a picky eater and eat things more consistant such as the lighter salad dressing, etc.

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And we could easily show just as many players that fell off the map, which is why comparing career trajectories of superstars to someone with fifty games played over a few seasons is laughable.
But people are labeling him a bust. One said "only 21, when will he be a bust? 26?" but many players don't do anything until after 21 except for the Ovechkin, Crosby types

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But people are labeling him a bust. One said "only 21, when will he be a bust? 26?" but many players don't do anything until after 21 except for the Ovechkin, Crosby types
Hall
Seguin
Landeskog
Karlsson
E.Kane

There's a hell of alot more..

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