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10-27-2012, 09:27 PM
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10-28-2012, 09:46 AM
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You know things are bad when the most exciting news in the NHL is that the Islanders are moving to Brooklyn in two seasons. Now the thug image will really fit!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408031

Place your bets on the name change if they do one:

I'm going with the Brooklyn Stugots.


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10-28-2012, 06:42 PM
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10-28-2012, 08:11 PM
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I don't think Fehr gives a crap if there ever is a hockey season. I don't even know if the guy is a sports fan. I do know he likes to win & he vastly under estimated Gary Bettman & the owners. Not only that but the players do care if they play hockey again. Once some of them realize the NHL isn't going to budge Fehr isn't going to be able to hold them together. He has done an excellent job as of now but if he's smart he'll see that it isn't a sustainable long term plan.

Fehr did come from dealing with Selig who folded very easily. Not to mention the large market owners & small market ones weren't together on anything. The sooner or if he ever realizes this the more willing he will be to negotiate.

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10-28-2012, 11:15 PM
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10-29-2012, 10:01 AM
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Suter now suggesting the reason some of the big deals were made this summer (including his own), is because owners who ordinarily wouldn't make those kinds of deals, knew they wouldn't have to pay as much as agreed to, if the new CBA restructured salaries etc.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-nhl-ownership

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Suter now suggesting the reason some of the big deals were made this summer (including his own), is because owners who ordinarily wouldn't make those kinds of deals, knew they wouldn't have to pay as much as agreed to, if the new CBA restructured salaries etc.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-nhl-ownership
Sorry Suter, no sympathy here.

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So espn is reporting the WC will be canceled thursday if nothing happens between now and then. WC gets cancelled we are taking a big leap towards no season at all.

Fehr is a friggin idiot. He just doesn't get that Bettman will get 50/50 right NOW or there will be no season. Too bad players your pay will ultimately go up, it always does even if you take a dip now. The offer the owners had out there looked like a pretty reasonable offer, and the league said that the make whole part was tweakable, and was the other #'s

So Fehr comes back with an offer to get to 50/50 in year 5 of the CBA? Doesn't try to negotiate ANY parameters of the offer but drums up his own. Fehr is neither representing the best interests of his clients, nor the sport. The players will never recover this money lost because of his inability to negotiate off the offer the owners put forth.

I am so pissed off with all of this, I'm just done with all this. Guess there is always my beer league hockey.

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10-29-2012, 02:10 PM
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A little optimism, please.

It will probably end sometime next season or shortly thereafter.

I wouldn't say never.

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Yeah I am of the opinion that if the Winter Classic is cancelled, then the NHL has little incentive to negotiate until January and then it will be a half season starting late Jan and the league offer won't be any better than the one recently proposed. I'm really not sure what Fehr is trying to prove at this point. The NHLPA will absolutely crack before the owners do.

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10-29-2012, 04:16 PM
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Suter now suggesting the reason some of the big deals were made this summer (including his own), is because owners who ordinarily wouldn't make those kinds of deals, knew they wouldn't have to pay as much as agreed to, if the new CBA restructured salaries etc.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-nhl-ownership
Oh you think? Some of these players were pretty naive when it came to these big contracts. Even before the lock out it was rumored that's what some owners were doing.

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10-29-2012, 04:38 PM
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Yah I wasn't supporting Suter's comments or criticizing them; just pointing it out. I certainly have no pity for him or Parise. But i do think Liarpold is a piece of crap at this point.

Winter Classic is toast most likely (and with it the season), unless Fehr does an 11th hour thing which I'm not totally ruling out but seems unlikely.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408407

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I honestly cannot believe this league. If the WC is cancelled, there's not going to be a season. 2 effing seasons completely cancelled, another partially missed all in pretty recent memory. It's almost unbelievable but here it is staring us right in the face. There's zero incentive for the league to have a season if a deal isn't hammered out soon.

Can't believe that the 2013-14 season will be the first with a healthy Sid & Geno since 2008-9 season. It's ****ing crazy and extremely disappointing. I'm at the point that I'd be seriously surprised if there is a season.

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I honestly cannot believe this league. If the WC is cancelled, there's not going to be a season. 2 effing seasons completely cancelled, another partially missed all in pretty recent memory. It's almost unbelievable but here it is staring us right in the face. There's zero incentive for the league to have a season if a deal isn't hammered out soon.

Can't believe that the 2013-14 season will be the first with a healthy Sid & Geno since 2008-9 season. It's ****ing crazy and extremely disappointing. I'm at the point that I'd be seriously surprised if there is a season.
That's what the selfish Pens fan in me is thinking. On the flip side, there should be a group of young talent ready to step in.

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I just want to know is what the PA really thinks the owners are going to settle for? With the Winter Classic likely lost, the owners are going to be more hard-lined than ever and they've already been starting to show it. I think it's going to be a long time until they start talking again.

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So espn is reporting the WC will be canceled thursday if nothing happens between now and then. WC gets cancelled we are taking a big leap towards no season at all.

Fehr is a friggin idiot. He just doesn't get that Bettman will get 50/50 right NOW or there will be no season. Too bad players your pay will ultimately go up, it always does even if you take a dip now. The offer the owners had out there looked like a pretty reasonable offer, and the league said that the make whole part was tweakable, and was the other #'s

So Fehr comes back with an offer to get to 50/50 in year 5 of the CBA? Doesn't try to negotiate ANY parameters of the offer but drums up his own. Fehr is neither representing the best interests of his clients, nor the sport. The players will never recover this money lost because of his inability to negotiate off the offer the owners put forth.

I am so pissed off with all of this, I'm just done with all this. Guess there is always my beer league hockey.
what's up w/ this Thursday deadline during Frankenstorm week?

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what's up w/ this Thursday deadline during Frankenstorm week?
If they cancel by Nov.2, NHL has to pay 100k in rent money to University of Michigan (site of game), if they cancel after that date, NHL have to pay 3 mil.

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